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Spinoff: Washington Sees Fatal Road Crashes Involving Marijuana Double
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:17 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:17 am
According to a study by AAA....
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Disclaimer: I've long been on record here as being a supporter of legalizing marijuana.
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Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington after the state legalized the drug, but legal limits for marijuana use among drivers are arbitrary and unsupported by science.
Those are the main findings of two new studies that looked at the impact of marijuana on driving safety released earlier this month by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, a nonprofit research and education association.
One report examined fatal crashes before and after marijuana was legalized in Washington, one of the first two states to permit the drug’s recreational use in late 2012.
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Disclaimer: I've long been on record here as being a supporter of legalizing marijuana.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:18 am to Darth_Vader
Caused by or just involving? Haven't read yet.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
Whew, I never saw this coming.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
Well yeah. When A/C was first introduced there were a lot more accidents involving cars with air conditioning.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:20 am to Darth_Vader
Define "recently used", please. Thanks.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:22 am to Darth_Vader
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drivers who recently used marijuana
Yeah, that's newsworthy.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:22 am to Darth_Vader
I just read the article and I'm curious what "recently" means. They keep saying drivers who "recently" used marijuana but don't define the time frame.
Since THC stays in your system for a few weeks, I'm wondering if these people just had THC in their system or if they were actually high while driving.
Since THC stays in your system for a few weeks, I'm wondering if these people just had THC in their system or if they were actually high while driving.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:24 am to Darth_Vader
Are we talking from 1 to 2 or 5000 to 10000?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:25 am to burdman
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Since THC stays in your system for a few weeks, I'm wondering if these people just had THC in their system or if they were actually high while driving.
This is the key element to the story, and they left it incredibly vague.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:25 am to Darth_Vader
And in the 7+ months since Adele released "Hello" there has been a sharp increase in fatal accidents involving drivers that had recently heard the song on the radio.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:27 am to Darth_Vader
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Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington after the state legalized the drug
Well, what do they mean by "recently used marijuana"?
And obviously the amount of people who "recently used marijuana" will skyrocket when it becomes legal.
Since people drink and drive, should be ban alcohol?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:28 am to burdman
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I just read the article and I'm curious what "recently" means. They keep saying drivers who "recently" used marijuana but don't define the time frame. Since THC stays in your system for a few weeks, I'm wondering if these people just had THC in their system or if they were actually high while driving.
Valid questions. I'm not even sure if there's a test that can determine if you just smoked a bowl or still have it in your system from a few days ago.
I just saw this link while researching numbers for the Astronaut drunk driving thread and thought this article would spark some good discussion.
I suppose as states adopt legalization there needs to be scientific studies on the effects of driving while under the influence of marijuana. How much is "too much"? How long should one wait to drive after consuming it? What we don't need is knee jerk reactions on either side who either (a) claim there is no risk of driving while under the influence of marijuana or (b) try to use studies such as this one to argue against legalization.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:29 am to genro
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Well yeah. When A/C was first introduced there were a lot more accidents involving cars with air conditioning
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:30 am to burdman
quote:
I just read the article and I'm curious what "recently" means. They keep saying drivers who "recently" used marijuana but don't define the time frame.
Since THC stays in your system for a few weeks, I'm wondering if these people just had THC in their system or if they were actually high while driving.
Right.
They could've smoked that morning, been 100% sober, but had a large amount of THC in their system. And now they're dead, so there is no way to tell when they smoked last.
Maybe more people just have it in their system, because you know, its legal now. So logically more people who die in car wrecks will also have it in their system. Does not mean they are high.
Also, even IF they were high, driving while intoxicated doesn't mean the intoxicating substance should be illegal. Just that it should be illegal while driving, which is already is.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:30 am to genro
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Well yeah. When A/C was first introduced there were a lot more accidents involving cars with air conditioning.
:golfclap:
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:31 am to Darth_Vader
1/6 fatal crashes had someone under the influence of thc - the study doesn't state whether that's the driver or not.
so 16% of fatal crashes involve thc, but what's the percentage of drivers who are high that wreck versus sober versus drunk? that's the only way to compare.
because... of course the amount of wrecks involving thc went up - more people are consuming thc. probably... twice the amount of people in fact.
so 16% of fatal crashes involve thc, but what's the percentage of drivers who are high that wreck versus sober versus drunk? that's the only way to compare.
because... of course the amount of wrecks involving thc went up - more people are consuming thc. probably... twice the amount of people in fact.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:32 am to Darth_Vader
There are field sobriety tests.
Notice how they never said drivers "impaired by marijuana". It's a sensational, scare tactic article written for the dumb masses.
Notice how they never said drivers "impaired by marijuana". It's a sensational, scare tactic article written for the dumb masses.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:32 am to burdman
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I just read the article and I'm curious what "recently" means
It's a paper from a month ago or so. Only the newspaper/reporting entity uses the term "recently used". I believe WAPO was the first to report it as such. The source material never uses that term, and their conclusions are complete rational and in line with what we already know. That there is no sufficient test to measure MJ toxicity in real time, and the data they have compiled is unreliable as a result.
The traffic Safety Council's paper is actually well done. The reporting of it, on the other hand...
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:32 am to Darth_Vader
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I suppose as states adopt legalization there needs to be scientific studies on the effects of driving while under the influence of marijuana. How much is "too much"? How long should one wait to drive after consuming it? What we don't need is knee jerk reactions on either side who either (a) claim there is no risk of driving while under the influence of marijuana or (b) try to use studies such as this one to argue against legalization.
I agree. I'm all for treating people who are driving high like people who are driving drunk. I'm just skeptical of how they classified people who had THC in their system. Mainly because they don't really give any details of what "recently" means and there's not really a great way to test for it yet.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:35 am to burdman
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