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re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:41 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:41 pm to Pettifogger
I thinks if students drop out or flunk out without significant hardships, grants should become nonforgivable loans. Too many take the free money and piss it away. This leaves less for those really trying to better themselves and elevates cost by increasing demand.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:42 pm to Iona Fan Man
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I know, we can't save stupid people from themselves.
Much less about degree choice, and more about this.
A successful person will be a successful person regardless. Some people just have that inner drive, others don't.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:42 pm to Pettifogger
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Should the government invest in liberal arts degrees for tier 3 or 4 schools?
Probably not, but does that have to do with the degree or the school? What's the expected employment outcome for tier 4 comp sci majors? Best Buy Geek Squad?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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My wife got a sociology degree and makes above average money for people her age and with her commission probably more than a lot of posters here. Generalizing the potential of someone based on their chosen major isn't particilarly smart.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:43 pm to SmackoverHawg
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I thinks if students drop out or flunk out without significant hardships, grants should become nonforgivable loans. Too many take the free money and piss it away. This leaves less for those really trying to better themselves and elevates cost by increasing demand.
I think it has to be on the front end. Government is not accountable after the fact. Can't expect the government to do an analysis of why someone dropped out and make that determination. We should be able to, but it just won't happen.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:43 pm to Vegas Eddie
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Agree, if your not an idiot and can play the game.... You can make money with any degree. Just need one person to promote you to director/vp level then you can coast from company to company earning a good salary. It's like joining a club
It's not so hard. Many are just ugly, insular, stupid, and most of all, close minded.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:43 pm to LNCHBOX
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Oh, so you were a dumbass on purpose.
in response to another posters statement about a study of LA's being better off....I was giving him an example of what I was expecting to see in his study if linked. C'mon man, this is a waste of time.
people will still go to school, they can still have HOBBIES...Undergrad degrees where people are taking out loans that could buy them a HOUSE...there needs to be some type of consumer protection from exploitation.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:43 pm to Iona Fan Man
The only way this "works" (term used very loosely) is if ALL federal grants and loans were pulled so that colleges actually had incentive to compete on price to value.
Of course, the decade or so that it would take for the market to correct itself would be absolutely grotesque.
Of course, the decade or so that it would take for the market to correct itself would be absolutely grotesque.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:43 pm to Epic Cajun
You do realize everyone here isn't making 6 figures, right?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:44 pm to Iona Fan Man
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my siblings
160k debt theater arts(he waits tables now)
85k debt psychology(she can't get into grad school, low grades)..works at La Boulange(bakery)
I know, we can't save stupid people from themselves.
But I want to keep Entities from abusing their stupidity to get tax payer dollars.
I don't know your siblings, but there was a time in the American workforce where you took a job, usually started at the bottom, and not only were you encouraged to keeping moving up, but companies actually took employment seriously and invested in them. So they didn't need the perfect candidate from the first day. They could get someone who they felt was worthwhile, start them at the bottom, and make them prove their way up. If you couldn't pass a level, then yeah you probably stalled, but you most likely weren't at the bottom, and were probably making more than a waiter.
We need those days back. We shouldn't write someone off because they studied theater arts in college.
The flip side of this is that the positive reinforcement of culture has caused many of the Gen Y to believe they are worth exponentially more than they actually are, so starting at the bottom is a no go. So they are stubborn until they have to wait tables just to get by. That's a problem too.
Oh and old folks won't die or give up their positions. That too.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:44 pm to Cold Cous Cous
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Probably not, but does that have to do with the degree or the school? What's the expected employment outcome for tier 4 comp sci majors? Best Buy Geek Squad?
I don't know honestly. Anecdotally, the huge majority of IT people I come in contact with went to mediocre state schools, so my instinct would be to say that have more upside, but it is just a guess.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:46 pm to Iona Fan Man
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in response to another posters statement about a study of LA's being better off....I was giving him an example of what I was expecting to see in his study if linked. C'mon man, this is a waste of time.
This whole thread is a waste of time. You don't get to decide who is and isn't worthy of financial aid based on what they choose to study. There are a plethora of examples of liberal arts students that are highly successful, so your proposition is dumb. Don't know what else to tell you.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:46 pm to Iona Fan Man
Should Methodists be denied grants and loans? What about chicks who date black guys?
It's a choice students get to make based on what they want. And they get to live with the consequences. They're eligible for grants and loans if they meet certain criteria. And if it's a loan they pay it back.
It's a choice students get to make based on what they want. And they get to live with the consequences. They're eligible for grants and loans if they meet certain criteria. And if it's a loan they pay it back.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:47 pm to Freauxzen
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Oh and old folks won't die or give up their positions. That too.
Biggest problem for younger people now compared to older generations. People just aren't retiring in their 50s anymore.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:47 pm to Freauxzen
I went to college and med school for less than $45k. WTH are people spending this money on. After scholarships and other academic rewards and loan paybacks, I paid $0 in tuition. We lived meagerly and had only some loans on my wife when we both graduated. After college and 4 yr pharmD she owed $32k.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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You do realize everyone here isn't making 6 figures, right?
Just busting your balls
But anyone could make that same claim, especially if you won't even back with up with a job title.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:49 pm to Freauxzen
I simultaneously blame the employer while understanding their plight.
You do not need a degree to start at the bottom in a lot of companies. My dad went mail room to board room, and that just doesn't happen anymore. It should, but it doesn't.
On the other hand, companies have to be able to distinguish between candidates, and with the ubiquity of college degrees, not having one is an easy application discard.
In an ideal world, we'd make college harder to go to, probably by making college significantly more difficult and cutting the number of colleges in half (or more). We'd also greatly increase the value of high school, making employers more willing to take that chance.
You do not need a degree to start at the bottom in a lot of companies. My dad went mail room to board room, and that just doesn't happen anymore. It should, but it doesn't.
On the other hand, companies have to be able to distinguish between candidates, and with the ubiquity of college degrees, not having one is an easy application discard.
In an ideal world, we'd make college harder to go to, probably by making college significantly more difficult and cutting the number of colleges in half (or more). We'd also greatly increase the value of high school, making employers more willing to take that chance.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:49 pm to GarmischTiger
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Should Methodists be denied grants and loans? What about chicks who date black guys?
Yes and yes
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:50 pm to GarmischTiger
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Should Methodists be denied grants and loans? What about chicks who date black guys?
Yeah this argument isn't going to hold up at all.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:50 pm to GarmischTiger
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It's a choice students get to make based on what they want.
if you pay for it yourself, sure
if you are using someone else's money, it has to be an approved major that will lead to direct employment in that field.
what's wrong with that?
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