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Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:12 am to tom
quote:We as humans have made some very fascinating things since our existence. The power of our creation is very limited though. We are though intelligent enough to understand that before we created something, there was nothing. Therefore, it is logical to apply that same rational to EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE
"I don't understand why so it must be god".
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:12 am to dgnx6
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What does the universe being designed and created by a universal intelligence sound like to you then? What is this intelligence that did all of this?
Doesn't sound like the God Christians worship.
I like how people are celebrating on here like this theory somehow validates the Old Testament or something.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:13 am to DanMullins4Life
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:13 am to CAD703X
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Athiest posters unite!
Don't lump me in with those miserable fricks!
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:13 am to PortCityTiger24
David Hume warned us about these things. Believers and those wimpy agnostics would start infiltrating good atheistic sciences, perverting them for their own agendas.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:14 am to REG861
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I like how people are celebrating on here like this theory somehow validates the Old Testament or something.
Who is doing that?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:14 am to DanMullins4Life
quote:is he not dead? was he cremated? why is he not rolling in his grave?
Issac Newton would be rolling in his grave
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:14 am to Salmon
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“To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”
this doesn't sound like "God" to me
Honest question, why not?
Does it sound "too mechanical" for the usually spiritual belief in God?
Possibly think about it like this: Regardless of the idea of the "kind" of universal intelligence, this "being" has to understand the underpinnings of the human existence innately. The way that we've grown, evolved, HOW we do things is all tied to the ability to determine a "ruleset" from our universe. Even the simple idea of logic "If A then B," like "If I touch a fire, I get burned," is a consistent rule that we have to develop both instincts and tools to work around. These require a a further exploration of rules and ideas that allow us to solve the problem. Solve the problem....within the ruleset of the universe. A rule is essentially a limitation, right? Our entire existence and evolution itself is about finding and breaking perceived limitations over and over again. That's growth. But the only way we are allowed to grow is because the universe itself does "make sense," it's governed by rules that we can determine, understand, and work within to continue growth.
If there were no rules, we'd be completely inept at determining anything. So God in this case, or a "being" in another, is almost required to create a ruleset for existence.
Now the interesting thing in this debate is Kaku's use of the word chance. That's extremely telling to how he views this question. And on that note, he's right.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
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And one answer for both: It doesn't fricking matter.
Interesting that you'd say that. Why do you think it doesn't matter? It's only the most profound question that we've tried to answer since the dawn of mankind.
Who created the virtual reality simulation we're all living in is one of the most profound questions since the dawn of mankind? Huh?
I think, in the minimal chance that we are in some sort of simulated game similar to what Elon Musk was talking about, then it doesn't matter to us who created it and who is "playing" the game. We're here either way, so in this particular case, ignorance is bliss.
I don't believe any of that, by the way, it's just another possible explanation for some sort of intelligent design.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
I like this, simply because we have too many arrogant know it all "science" arguments these days. Both sides should be debated and respected.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:15 am to Darth_Vader
No problem with that. Where I part company is the premise that this intelligence is a middle eastern monotheistic deity.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:15 am to REG861
I love how this thread is suddenly full of insecure athiests who feel they need to belittle everyone who doesn't share their worldview.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:15 am to Jim Rockford
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Where I part company is the premise that this intelligence is a middle eastern monotheistic deity.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:16 am to CAD703X
You hypocrites realize no where in his ramblings he mentions Jesus Christ as the son of God. No where does he prove your beliefs are right.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:16 am to dgnx6
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no where in his ramblings he mentions Jesus Christ as the son of God.
because a belief in a higher power equals that?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:17 am to Jim Rockford
quote:and that is fair.
No problem with that. Where I part company is the premise that this intelligence is a middle eastern monotheistic deity
But also not part of anything Kaku said.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:17 am to CAD703X
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I love how this thread is suddenly full of insecure athiests who feel they need to belittle everyone who doesn't share their worldview.
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