re: San Francisco's last gun store closing doors for good

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My favorite stat is that, though gun violence has decreased slightly in countries with strict gun laws, the homicide rates stayed pretty much the same and people just used different ways to kill. Also, their violent crimes actually tripled and rape had a large increase as well.

I posted it the other day and people for gun control just ignore it but you can read it all in the link below.

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Probably b/c data from sites like the one you linked are almost without fail littered with misrepresentations or entirely bogus. That one cites to this report (footnote iv) after it claims:

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The total violent crime (including homicide) rate of England and Wales in 1997 was approximately 479 per 100,000 people versus the violent crime rate in 2011 of 1,465 per 100,000

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Not only can I not find either of those numbers (479 or 1,465) in the report, the violent crime overview on page 18 flatly states:

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The 2010/11 BCS (British Crime Survey) showed overall violence was down 47 per cent on the level seen at its peak in 1995; representing nearly two million fewer violent offences per year.

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Jump to page 40 of that cited report, and we see a raw data table showing BCS incidence reports. About 2/3 down that table, we see "All violence." Across that row, for 1997, we see 877 (per 10,000 adults/households), and for 2011 we see 490; a substantial decrease, completely contrary to the website that supposedly got its data from this report.

Further down the sequence of data charts, we see "recorded crimes," which is heavily footnoted, followed by an entire page of footnotes, the first two of which reveal:

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1. The number of crimes recorded in that calendar year using the coverage and rules in use until 31 March 1998.
2. The number of crimes recorded in that financial year using the expanded offence coverage and revised Counting Rules which came into effect on 1 April 1998

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Page 29 elaborates on this point:

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Recorded crime also increased during most of the 1980s, reaching a peak in 1992, and then fell each year until 1998/99 when the expanded coverage and changes in the Counting Rules resulted in an increase in recorded offences; see Section 3 of the User Guide. This was followed by the introduction of the NCRS in April 2002, although some forces adopted NCRS practices before the standard was formally introduced. The introduction of NCRS led to a rise in recording in 2002/03 and, particularly for less serious violent crime, in following years as forces continued to improve compliance with the new standard.

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...demonstrating the folly in using historical data w/o investigating its reliability and consistency, and also the ease by which it can be manipulated and misrepresented.

That entire report reveals pretty much the complete opposite of what the biased website purports.

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This latest shooting occured on a campus where multiple people were utilizing concealed carry, including a Vet, it didn't seem to help much.

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That's the first I heard of this. WTF would Mintz charge the guy if he had a gun?

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I neither have heard of "multiple" such instances. The vet, a different guy, not Mintz, says he wasn't in the vicinity of the shooting. And, by the time he heard what was going on, he suspected, or already knew that a police response was already underway. Going after the gunman, when he probably didn't even know the specific location, would've probably gotten him shot by police. Probably the smart move, and does nothing to support the gun grabbers' attempts at our rights, nor montanagator's position on the subject.

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Everyone there silently judging everyone else. Cowards.

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I don't know about that. went to the Pride Parade this year. Everybody looked pretty happy. no judgment anywhere. looked like Mardi Gras w less drunks.

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oodles of free publicity

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That's they gayest thing I've heard in awhile.

Eh, not too surprised...

Think most of the SF population would rather hug each other on the beach then go to the gun range or sit in a deer blind.

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Sure is, I mean conservatives seem to have no problem applying that pressure when its a business and/or non-profit which provides healthcare to women but I'm sure gun store is just as vital.

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Between PP and a gun store, only one business' services are 100% guaranteed to end lives.