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re: Roofing advice needed

Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by Lugnut
Wesson
Member since Nov 2016
1441 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:49 pm to
Do it!
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14468 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:51 pm to
congrats on that . I was gonna have the sears home roofing come out for a quote but after reading the reviews i'm gonna cancel that one tommorrow. i just want a company that if i have a problem in say 5 to 10 years they will be able to help me out.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17923 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:55 pm to
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They have done like 5 houses in my neighborhood. does this seem like a fair price

This is too hard to tell honestly. I know you listed sq footage of the house, but 1 or 2 stories really changes the square footage of the roof (obviously 2500 sq ft over 1 story is much larger roof area than a 2 story of the same sq ft), hips, valleys, etc. Obviously your insurance company will have a figure they're willing to cover, this should make it under that... but impossible to honestly say. Hence why getting your adjuster and a couple quotes is so valuable. Absolutely ask your neighbors how they felt about it. Obviously most issues don't show up until a big rain, but some red flags are present before that. I've heard nothing bad about that company, just no firsthand experience with.

The 2 people i sent to my mom's house for quotes were matt reese, may be reese's roofing... and keith stern roofing. I can attest to 2 decades of solid service with either company. I have no idea how busy they are, but i can imagine lol. Keith is in clay and i feel matt is on your side of the river.

Tons of good companies out there. Just kick a few tires and ask as many questions as you want. If their estimator doesn't or can't answer the question, move on to the next one.

Total sidebar: worst inspector i ever had the privilege to deal with was stationed in mandarin, forever. I used to get so pissed when i heard we had another addition to do off of orangepicker. I feel ol' Solomon has finally retired, so hopefully you won't have a needless reinspection
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14468 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:04 pm to
if you were to ask say 3 questions when they come out what would they be? i'm trying to stick to companies that have a good rating with the better business bureau. I got burned when i got a new ac a few years back by not checking that site. had i done that i would have noticed they had a terrible rating.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48850 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:16 pm to
The quote he gave you is not out of line.The GAF Timberline HD is a very good top tier shingle and using it along with the Storm Guard and felt buster will qualify it for their Smart Choice 10 year labor warranty which really is the only warranty worth anything.

This has to be installed as per GAF specs which include 6 nails per shingle in order to qualify for the warranty. The "lifetime" warranty is material (shingle) only and is basically against manufacturers defects and even those are pro-rated. This is standard for all shingle manufacturers. The only real warranties worth the money are commercial low slope no dollar limit warranties and that does not apply here.

No one is going to give you a cost per line item and if he only uses 40 squares instead of 45 you don't get a rebate. It is a lump sum proposal and contract. He is pretty thorough with his scope and yes you need to replace all of those items. He also is hauling off all existing roof and debris and paying to dispose of. All in all I would think he is a good benchmark to use if you want other prices.

For him and any others: ask for references and contact them, ask for proof of insurance and a copy of current certificate of insurance. That dollar amount and the stringent rules of Florida Contractors license requirements chances are you won't get a licensed one, but under $50,000 it is not required. Which is why you ask the afore mentioned questions.

Do not pay in advance any money. You can pay 30% once material is delivered and sitting in your driveway and some might require that (it's not an unreasonable request) but most won't. Let them know if it is an insurance claim, let your insurance company know who your contractor is.

If you want the GAF warranty have him provide an itemized invoice (not dollars for each item-just name of item) and keep this in a file. Print the warranty and keep with it. The warranty is with the manufacturer not the contractor so if you have to make a claim it's easier than trying to run him down.

Hand nailing is not better than air nailing unless you have roofers that have been hand nailing for the last 20-30 years and chances are you won't. Well I'll just say you won't. The nail has to be flush with the shingle and an air coil nailer that is set right is the best way to achieve this. If the nail is overdriven it will damage the shingle, if it is raised it will interfere with the overlayed shingle setting and can back out. This is a discussion worth having with the contractor to insure proper settings of nails. If they are selling based on hand nailing I would decline. No one nailing shingles now (it's a young mans game) really understands what I just wrote or can have consistent hammer blows to compete with an air nailer. Just as I said make sure they set it right because if not they can be bad too.

I would not leave the existing underlayment on the wood deck and install the new over it for a couple of reasons. If it has moisture it can't get out and if you have deck problems you might not catch them. I know it is done and it's not a deal breaker but if it is my house the old felt is being removed and that should not change the cost.

Ask how long will it take start to finish-weather permitting and also you want to be watertight at all times.

Address any special flashing issues you might have, dormers, chimneys, valley flashings etc...

Good luck.
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:25 pm to


Why does the quote have 44.73 square removed and 51 square installed?

My first guess would be 6sq for ridgecap, but that appears to be a separate line item.

Does it take that many extra for the starter row?

I'd measure my roof. These guys guess really high usually. Basic geometry can give you the exact number.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15106 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:29 pm to
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Why does the quote have 44.73 square removed and 51 square installed?


Waste = 10-15% dependent upon roof type
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:30 pm to
Vent the attic well and you don’t need anything fancy for a regular ol conventional shingle roof to last 20 years.
Posted by DWaginHTown
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2006
9860 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:46 pm to
Just cover your roof in FlexSeal.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68462 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:16 pm to
Seems right considering the footage and system
Posted by TakeAGander
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
557 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:24 pm to
I can't speak for the area of the country you live in, but that is crazy high prices for the Baton Rouge market. I hand nail, 5-6 nails minimum. A 15 pound pound felt is just fine. I prefer Crrtain Teed as I find it to be a heavy shingle. I will use Atlas if requested. I only use GAF if budget is a concern. Typically I use GAF on rental properties. I would certainly get a few more estimates. Make sure they note how much per piece of decking they will charge you if decking needs to be replaced. Ask for a current copy of insurance, and verify it is up to date. Pay no monies up front. All payments should be made upon completion. Hope this helps.
Posted by Triggerr
Member since Jul 2013
1891 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:56 pm to
That roof should run you under $12,000
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12284 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:21 pm to
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I know nothing about getting new shingles for a roof but got my first estimate today.Roof is about 18 years old. First off my sq footage is 3,100. The estimate to have new shingles put on/cleanup etc is $20,000. That seems high. Is that normal or is that way high? with the recent hurricane are these roofers charging whatever they want? Says its a GAF roofing system whatever that means. Ive got a few more guys coming in the next few weeks to give more estimates. Any advice?


Wow, they're taking you to the cleaners. My roof is 3400sqft and got it replaced two years ago for $7500.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7191 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:20 am to
That roof shouldn't cost more than $12,000.
the sq foot of the house isn't what you go by. The estimate says 44 squares. On the high side roofers are charging $265 a sq.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 6:23 am
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7191 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:25 am to
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I hand nail, 5-6 nails minimum.


6 nails are required. 15 pound felt sucks and is not for architectural shingles, use 30# like the fricking manufacture says to use.
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