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re: Road Rage- Man killed in front of family
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:49 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:49 pm to Hammertime
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His argument for that could also be that he thought other men were in the truck, and didn't know what was going on after, but knew he needed to be in control of the situation
As if I didn't take you seriously already, this just reinforces that.
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:49 pm to MrLarson
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For starters I'm not going to go to my home if someone is aggressively pursuing me.
I agree that it was foolish to do but that does not prevent him from defending himself.
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I think the guy wanted to shoot him and he got his wish. If I was on the jury he would be guilty of the charges.
Well, there is a reason why 48 states require unanimous guilty findings in criminal cases.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:50 pm to Topwater Trout
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What about Gonzales?
What about him? Do I have to choose only one person to assign blame to?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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but I just don't see how you can make any reasonable argument that Doyle did nothing wrong.
Doing something wrong =/= committing a crime
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:52 pm to Antonio Moss
You know what I meant, but not surprised you're taking this the semantical route.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:52 pm to Hammertime
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I had a buddy in a similar situation, but the road raged guy behind him was ramming his truck. He followed my buddy to his house and went after him and his gf. My buddy beat him with a baseball bat, and the guy ended up going into a coma and died a month later. He had a wife and three kids too
I've learned having friends like this means you're probably a shitty person. These kind of things do not happen to good people, and they do not happen to the friends of good people. You know, the whole birds of a feather thing.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:53 pm to MightyYat
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That's where his physical injuries came into play. That was his entire defense.
There is no self-defense statute in the country that requires physical contact to occur prior to using self-defense.
Hence the word, imminent.
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I'm not sure stand your ground is going to play a role in this case at all.
I'm not sure it does either. Stand Your Ground is incredibly overrated in terms of importance. The media ran with this nonsense in Zimmerman even though it was not used and they didn't understand what they were discussing.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:54 pm to TopHog1
The days of settling shite with fists are done I suppose
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:55 pm to TopHog1
I don't care if they charge this guy or not.
If you're stupid/crazy enough to chase somebody at high speeds, follow them until they park and get out of your car, and all while having your whole family in the car with you(including your grandchild)....well, your time was probably limited anyways and it's hard for me to have any pity for this guy.
If you're stupid/crazy enough to chase somebody at high speeds, follow them until they park and get out of your car, and all while having your whole family in the car with you(including your grandchild)....well, your time was probably limited anyways and it's hard for me to have any pity for this guy.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:55 pm to LNCHBOX
Just offering a likely defense to those charges. Do cops pull everyone out of the vehicle after they shoot someone who was in it? Why do they do that? Or do they just leave them in there?
I'm not denying it was bad judgement holding them all there
I'm not denying it was bad judgement holding them all there
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:57 pm to Hammertime
If this guy was a cop, that could possibly be relevant. But since it's just the guy that killed their husband/dad over road rage, it's not.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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You know what I meant, but not surprised you're taking this the semantical route.
So you don't know the homicide laws from Florida but you're sure Doyle violated one of them?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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What about him? Do I have to choose only one person to assign blame to?
no. I blame him more since he chose to chase Doyle to his house to confront him...how many people wouldn't have a reasonable fear for their safety if someone chased them home?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:01 pm to slackster
quote:Um...the guy was a huge dude. He charged and punched my buddy, then my buddy went inside to call the cops. When he opened the door, the guy had pulled his gf out of the car and was choking her. How does that make him/me a shitty person?
I've learned having friends like this means you're probably a shitty person.
I still have no idea why road rage makes people so much more nuts than regular situations
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:02 pm to Antonio Moss
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So you don't know the homicide laws from Florida but you're sure Doyle violated one of them?
Well, he better have one helluva attorney that's for sure.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:02 pm to Hammertime
shooter should've offed himself ... then society would be better off by 2 instead of 1 ...
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:03 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I also asked why cops do that. Is a cop's safety now more important than anyone else's?
If this guy was a cop, that could possibly be relevant.
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:04 pm to Antonio Moss
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For starters I'm not going to go to my home if someone is aggressively pursuing me.
I agree that it was foolish to do but that does not prevent him from defending himself.
When the a-hole was following me last week I had a lot of thoughts that immediately started going through my head. I started with going to my house or going to a friends who would be waiting in the yard with a shotgun, but after thinking things through I decided to let them follow me down the tollway all the way to work and to let security there take care of it if necessary.
I am a pretty reasonable guy, and my first thought was go home, before quickly realizing I didn't want him knowing where me or anyone associated with me lives. I could easily see where that would be someones first instinct though, because it was mine.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:05 pm to Antonio Moss
How'd you get that out of my quote you were replying to?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 1:05 pm to Hammertime
Was the cop committing a crime?
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