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Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:30 pm to TopHog1
You NEVER and I mean NEVER go to someone's house and start shite unless you want to die. Both of these guys were shitheads
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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The 911 calls and location of the confrontation aren't going to play out in his favor.
You're out of your mind if you think that Gonzales following Doyle to his home and confronting him in his driveway doesn't play in Doyle's favor. That is a prime example of an act of aggression on Gonzales' part.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're a defense attorney.
Nope.
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How else could you possibly think he committed no crime?
I never said he didn't commit a crime. I said I'd have trouble convicting him of second degree murder based on the limited information available.
Take away all of the surrounding stuff for a second. If someone follows you after an road incident to your home and walks onto your property, what would you think their intentions were?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:32 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Doyle feared for his and his wife's life. It's not like he followed Gonzalez to his house. Gonzales got out, came towards him saying he was gonna beat his arse. He had no obligation to stop shooting until the threat was neutralized. He thought there were two other guys in the truck, and for all he knew, Gonzalez could've been going back to get a gun of his own
Id love to know how having a correct legal view point on the situation and not speculating is trolling?
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That bullshite thread about cars you made yesterday, that's a troll
Definitely didn't turn out how I expected, but it wasn't a troll Either way, Gonzalez followed Doyle to his house and got out yelling and went after him. He was trying to be a tough guy and scare Doyle and teach him a lesson. That didn't work so well
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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This has almost nothing in common with Trayvons.
The facts don't have a lot in common. However, the purpose of my pointing out that Stand Your Ground was not invoked in Zimmerman was to show that Stand Your Ground is not necessary to show self-defense.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:34 pm to MightyYat
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That's because Zimmerman had physical injuries that indicated a struggle. Big difference in this case hombre
I never compared the facts of the case.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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Take away all of the surrounding stuff for a second.
Spoken like a true lawyer. You don't get to ignore facts to try to make a point.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:36 pm to TopHog1
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Florida
Not sure if already posted, and I'm not reading 8 pages of this bullshite, but once I saw it was Florida - well... Not all surprising.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:36 pm to Antonio Moss
It's pretty much irrelevant. There is way more evidence, as well as witnesses, to this case. Just answer this simple question. My only claim is that Doule is 100% guilty of a crime. Do you agree or disagree?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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Spoken like a true lawyer.
I'll take that as a compliment.
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You don't get to ignore facts to try to make a point.
Actual not only do you get to do that, it's pretty much a key part of formulating an argument.
One of the keys for the defense will be to establish Doyle's mindset leading directly into the incident. They have to show that Doyle's reaction was reasonable when judged against the common man standard. To that, any good defense attorney is going isolate keys pieces of evidence that shape Doyle's view of the situation. The most important piece will be how an average individual would react to someone following them to their home and then confronting them
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:41 pm to LNCHBOX
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State attorney says stand your ground doesn't apply. Anything else?
well his defense lawyer may have something to say about that
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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My only claim is that Doule is 100% guilty of a crime. Do you agree or disagree?
I don't know. Right now, I'm leaning no. But as you said, still a lot out there.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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Take away all of the surrounding stuff for a second. If someone follows you after an road incident to your home and walks onto your property, what would you think their intentions were?
For starters I'm not going to go to my home if someone is aggressively pursuing me. I think the guy wanted to shoot him and he got his wish. If I was on the jury he would be guilty of the charges.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:45 pm to Antonio Moss
If you think no crime was committed here, I stand by my original statement that you scare me.
Murder 2 may be out of the question, but I just don't see how you can make any reasonable argument that Doyle did nothing wrong.
Murder 2 may be out of the question, but I just don't see how you can make any reasonable argument that Doyle did nothing wrong.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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The facts don't have a lot in common. However, the purpose of my pointing out that Stand Your Ground was not invoked in Zimmerman was to show that Stand Your Ground is not necessary to show self-defense.
That's where his physical injuries came into play. That was his entire defense. This case is a homeowner telling a 911 operator he's going to shoot someone a few minutes before he actually.............. wait for it............... shoots someone. I'm not sure stand your ground is going to play a role in this case at all.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:45 pm to LNCHBOX
The witness said Gonzalez got shot after being in Doyle's yard
He should be convicted with whatever charge it is to detain the family at gunpoint, nothing else. His argument for that could also be that he thought other men were in the truck, and didn't know what was going on after, but knew he needed to be in control of the situation
He should be convicted with whatever charge it is to detain the family at gunpoint, nothing else. His argument for that could also be that he thought other men were in the truck, and didn't know what was going on after, but knew he needed to be in control of the situation
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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I don't know. Right now, I'm leaning no. But as you said, still a lot out there.
I kind of wish you were Doyle's lawyer.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:46 pm to MightyYat
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This case is a homeowner telling a 911 operator he's going to shoot someone a few minutes before he actually.............. wait for it............... shoots someone.
then he should have been charges with 1st degree because what you're saying is that it was pre meditated.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:47 pm to tgrbaitn08
The press conference videos cover why they didn't charge with 1st.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 12:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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I just don't see how you can make any reasonable argument that Doyle did nothing wrong.
What about Gonzales?
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