re: Reports of multiple fatalities at an Oregon Community College

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Do you tell the truth when you take job application personality tests? Have you ever lied? Have you ever been sad one day, and then happy the next? Who gets to decide who is too crazy to own a firearm, and what level will they set that at?

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Most of these people have a history of mental illness. Like I said it wouldn't stop every incident, but it would empower people to do something about some of them beforehand. As far as who decides I would consider doctors would be the ones to decide the levels and do the evaluations.

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Most of these people have a history of mental illness. Like I said it wouldn't stop every incident, but it would empower people to do something about some of them beforehand. As far as who decides I would consider doctors would be the ones to decide the levels and do the evaluations.

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Ever seen a trial of anyone.

Ever notice how they always have medical experts that directly contradict one another.

So again, how is it that one person finds the colorado theater shooter crazy, one not, and then which of those 2 decides

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So again, how is it that one person finds the colorado theater shooter crazy, one not, and then which of those 2 decides

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There's a big difference in finding someone legally insane and not fit to be tried for their actions and knowing that someone is mentally unstable and possibly a threat to themselves and others.

Doctors will say anything you want them to if you pay them. Their political leanings will also cloud their judgement and severely skew their personal decisions one way or another.

Also, what LEVEL of mental illness is enough to strip someone of their constitutional rights? See, it's pretty undefinable


Again, the only logical thing to do would be to try and set up more available mental health counseling. It is the only thing that people on both sides would agree on. The only people that wouldn't like it are people that don't want more taxes. You've just got to explain to them how it could benefit them personally and their city/state/country. I know the government will completely botch it because politics and money are involved, but that is the best, quickest, plausible solution IMHO

That is the best, quickest, plausible solution if we had a functioning government that wasn't chocked full of functional retards being puppeted by special interest groups, donors, and organizations

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As far as who decides I would consider doctors would be the ones to decide the levels and do the evaluations.

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That's one hell of a Pandora's box. They set the level, most likely arbitrarily, and then lower the bar every time someone goes on a shooting despite the evaluation. And as another poster said, I know people who fit all of the aforementioned "traits," and none of them have shot anyone.

Remember, one side of the aisle wants a total gun ban. I'm not giving these clowns power over my constitutional rights.

It's a tough call. What if someone is on medication for something like bipolar disorder and while on the meds lives a normal life? Should that person be able to buy a gun?

When these folks stop taking the meds or the meds suddenly stop working correctly and need to be changed by dose or type, they can really have some problems suddenly. They could go south quickly and easily. I have some friends with this issue and I've seen them normal for years and, suddenly, so depressed they can't get out of bed and entertain thoughts of suicide.

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What do you propose we do with this people?

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Not sell them guns.

Like I said, nothing is going to completely stop these things from happening. Just like locking your doors isn't going to keep out a robber that really wants in. But making it harder for these crazies to do it and possibly giving people the chance to prevent it ahead of time doesn't seem like a bad idea.

People are so worried they are going to ban guns altogether they seem to be against anything that prevents someone from owning a gun.


What if you lived beside this guy or one of the others. They showed you all their guns, told you they had thought of doing something like this, and there is basically nothing you can do. Just sit and wait for the day it happens.

We can't tighten gun control or offer enough additional access to mental health help to stop anything. We might be able to curb some of it, but we may never know the effect. That could be like proving a negative.

There are also HIPPA laws to consider as far as finding out if someone applying for gun has had any treatment.

The article I posted earlier indicates this guy went to a school for kids with emotional issues. Wasn't like it was a secret that he had issues. I just cannot understand how he lived with a parent and had access to so many guns in that one br apt he shared with his mother.

You never know until you try. It'll definitely benefit some people. It could benefit people who just need some help getting through the week. It could benefit someone that is suicidal. It could help people realize that they need to consider medication. It might even benefit the mass murders.

You just don't know because you can't predict what someone will or will not do or would have done.

The key idea behind it is that you aren't punishing anyone for things they had nothing to do with

As long as there are people whose emotions provoke them to violence, and guns to assuage these emotions, we'll have very little in the way of change.