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re: Report: TOPS mostly benefits students from white, affluent families
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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there will be a tipping point at some point
There aren't enough of them here for it to matter, they wouldn't make a difference if they changed their minds anyway.
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they won't put up with the marginalization they face within liberal thought
Unless they change religious beliefs (see Jindal, i know) what good does it do for them to switch to the conservative movement?
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Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:54 am to hendersonshands
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They all ended up in criminal justice.
so damn true
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:57 am to BIGDAB
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they wouldn't make a difference if they changed their minds anyway.
they represent about 5-6% of the population and vote regularly and without records that eliminate large portions of the population from voting. our national elections are decided by 2-3% usually so that is a potential swing vote
the electoral college may deny the impact of their suffrage, but their population numbers don't
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Unless they change religious beliefs (see Jindal, i know) what good does it do for them to switch to the conservative movement?
well having their children properly represented in colleges is the applicable example for this thread
also asians are industrious and do well economically. how does allowing them to keep more of their property/indsutry hurt them?
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:57 am to Lsupimp
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I liked your post. But I don't know about this last one. Obviously (if you buy into the TOPS premise in the first place) you would want full participation for deserving students. Remember,the idea is to turn the next generation INTO taxpayers even if their parents weren't.
Yeah, I'm riled up. Probably not true.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
ACT/SAT scores really are so key
If you can't hack it on those you aren't going to make it through four years of college, at least not for a worthwhile degree.
I'm sure there of plenty of people on this board who know of outliers, like their cousin Jimmy who scored a 19 but is now a millionaire but for the most part people who cannot achieve a decent score on those standardized tests are wasting their time going to college.
If you can't hack it on those you aren't going to make it through four years of college, at least not for a worthwhile degree.
I'm sure there of plenty of people on this board who know of outliers, like their cousin Jimmy who scored a 19 but is now a millionaire but for the most part people who cannot achieve a decent score on those standardized tests are wasting their time going to college.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:00 pm to NIH
standardized test scores are also meant to, you know, standardize comparisons. a 4.0 at Barbe is not the same as a 4.0 at Newman is not the same thing as a 4.0 at a failing school.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:02 pm to NIH
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ACT/SAT scores really are so key If you can't hack it on those you aren't going to make it through four years of college, at least not for a worthwhile degree.
If you go through college with "Marginal grades" in a "lesser" curriculum, you are probably wasting your time. There are many avenues to earn a good living through start-up companies and trades. If you are in college and do not know what you want to do, my advice is to get out.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
exactly
I can't remember if it was on here or not but I remember a story about a valedictorian of some shithole North Louisiana school who had a 20 on their ACT.
I can't remember if it was on here or not but I remember a story about a valedictorian of some shithole North Louisiana school who had a 20 on their ACT.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:05 pm to NIH
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I can't remember if it was on here or not but I remember a story about a valedictorian of some shithole North Louisiana school who had a 20 on their ACT.
it's quite common. i learned that lesson in quiz bowl in high school
we'd travel to schools for competitions and you'd see the "valedictorian/4.0" board congratulating the students and it listed their ACTs and the highest was like 21 (and the rest were sub-20). it was then that i learned the true different in output
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the electoral college may deny the impact of their suffrage, but their population numbers don't
well I guess it depends on which one you deem most important in an national election. Most importantly, although they represent 5-6 percent of the population, they are not a homogenous ethnic group. Asia is big, and Asian is includes at least 3 different religions, so good luck trying to coral all three into one movement. Just because a Korean american fits agrees with conservative policies, doesn't necessarily mean all Vietnamese, Chinese, or Indians feel the same way.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:11 pm to BIGDAB
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Just because a Korean american fits agrees with conservative policies, doesn't necessarily mean all Vietnamese, Chinese, or Indians feel the same way.
pretty sure they all enjoy their own property and want their kids to be able to apply to colleges without facing discrimination
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Asia is big, and Asian is includes at least 3 different religions, so good luck trying to coral all three into one movement.
religion doesn't seem to matter when they support the Christian DEM party
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:16 pm to Grim
nvm
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:19 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Sid in Lakeshore
Interesting. You and I seem to be mostly on the same page but all you can say is GTFO.
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There is NOTHING egregious about giving middle / upper-middle class families a (partial) break on in-state college tuition that they are already funding through their exorbitant taxes.
The student needs to contribute something to get into the program and that something is being a qualified student. Right now the program encourages being below average. That's bullshite and you know it. It's a drain on funds for more deserving students to use. I don't care if the parents are middle income and I have no problem with a student from a middle income family meeting reasonable criteria to EARN the right to be included in the program.
Having a pulse shouldn't be the criteria and that's about what it is now.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:31 pm to ksayetiger
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According to the report, released December 2015, 75 percent of students who received the awards in 2014 were white, with a majority coming from families who make at least $70,000 in annual income.
What do you know, a merit-based scholarship is awarded mostly to white students, even though they are not overly represented based on their percentage of the total population.
On the other hand, the merit-based scholarships that go out to the football team and the basketball team are OVERWHELMINGLY given to black students.
I don't see how a single intelligent and/or competitive person could give a damn about either of those statistics. That is the beauty of merit-based compensation - the people who get it have earned it.
I use the term "earned" with respect to TOPS loosely, because the requirements are absurdly low, but it is still a merit-based system.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in Louisiana, that's affluent
i'd imagine it's in the top 10% of median household income
Still not affluent
Just middle class
If you're affluent you can get by without your next 10 paychecks coming in
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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pretty sure they all enjoy their own property and want their kids to be able to apply to colleges without facing discrimination
Smae shite my grandfather said.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the "valedictorian/4.0" board congratulating the students and it listed their ACTs and the highest was like 21 (and the rest were sub-20). it was then that i learned the true different in output
But, but some people are just bad test takers!!
I hear that shite all the time, and it is hardly ever true. By and large, the most intelligent classmates I had also scored very well on the ACT. Granted, there were some people who did poorly on the ACT but had great GPAs, and vice versa, and that could usually be explained by work ethic, not intelligence - for instance, I had the highest ACT score in my class but I was barely inside of the 70th percentile for our class GPA.
Hard working students of average intelligence usually end up with nice GPAs and mediocre ACT scores. It has nothing to do with "test anxiety" or whatever handicap they want to claim. That doesn't mean they should be any less respected - if anything, I appreciate those hard workers now that I'm out of school and realize exactly how lazy I was at the time - but smart, intelligent people will do well on the ACT, period.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:40 pm to slackster
My cousin Jimbo scored a 17 on the ACT but graduated Nicholls and now runs a lawn business!! Take that ACT!!
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in Louisiana, that's affluent
i'd imagine it's in the top 10% of median household income
Ehh...$75k household income is in the 71st percentile in LA. $100k starts the 80th percentile.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 12:44 pm to Powerman
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If you're affluent you can get by without your next 10 paychecks coming in
That isn't true, at all.
You ability to get by with no income for 5-6 months has everything to do with your ability to save and be a great money manager and little to do with your household income. There are plenty of people who make more than $200k/years in a household yet they're effectively paycheck to paycheck.
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