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re: Random thoughts from attending my niece's graduation from LSU.

Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:58 pm to
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Sure, but to close all because one stooge thought LSU's diversity was great? No.

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No one said it should be the only one.


Is reading optional at McNeese? Perhaps yall should shut down.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
22993 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:58 pm to
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I kind of feel the opposite. Not saying we shouldn't close down some schools. But I think we should be focusing on making LSU a "better" school. Not a "we accept anyone in Louisiana since we shut down all the other schools and there are no options left" type of school. Louisiana does not have a single public institution that is remotely "prestigious" (not expecting Harvard here, just maybe compete for a higher ranking in the SEC). There was an attempt to make LSU better in that regard while I was there, but the recession thrashed that idea. In order to focus on making LSU better, we still have to keep some options available for those who can't quite make it to the top program in the state.


Only way this is going to happen is for the state to start investing in Higher Ed again. Unfortunately, this state has gone so far in the other direction, LSU has been left in the distance by its regional counterparts. We are taking the, "keep em dumb and voting the way I want" approach. The electorate needs to hold these clowns accountable when it comes time to vote. Edwards has zero interest in making this state a better place.

The University can't afford to move toward your vision because they need every tuition dollar they can get at the moment.

Maybe someday we'll have a true leader in the governor's office who has the goal to make LSU the great institution it could be.

eta

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Not every small town in the state should have a four year university.


and if that's what the politicians want, at least fund them. We have more schools than we need and give them less to work with. arse backwards approach.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
16403 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:26 pm to
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If a black girl who grew up in poverty in a place like Lake Providence can succeed at LSU, anybody can.


It might speak just as much to the lower quality of education provided at LSU.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:40 pm to
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Why people demonize those who want to improve LSU is so weird to me.


I'm "demonizing" them because they are full of shite and want to "better" LSU by throwing more money at it. Money that comes right from my paycheck. frick THAT. FKing made a complete arse out of himself whining about funding cuts and threatening financial exigency when in point of fact no cuts were actually made. They were asked for, but never made. Hes been crying like chicken little every year, yet hes graduating a record number of students? OP was right there with him parroting the dooms day story. Now...LSU is alive and well?
horse shite.
Posted by KennaBruh
Kenna, Brah
Member since Apr 2014
186 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:00 pm to
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I am now more convinced than ever that we should get rid of most of the smaller 4 year schools


This is the condescending knee-jerk reaction you get from stupid fans when LSU baseball can't beat smaller in-state schools...
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:04 pm to
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I'm "demonizing" them because they are full of shite and want to "better" LSU by throwing more money at it.

Correct, LSU is underfunded compared to its competition. LSU has been able to offset the losses in state revenue with increased tuition, but it's still a net loss. I'm sure you get why LSU pays top money elite coaches, it works the same way in academia. If LSU stops offering top pay and programs, they can't grow or attract top professors/researchers. The fact that the flagship university has to cut programs and professors is insulting. You surely understand the goal of F King is grow the university and improve itself, right?

LSU being "alive and well" is just the take of some dude who watched a family member graduate. Walking through campus, it's pretty clear to see that LSU has been pinching pennies for a long time now.

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whining about funding cuts and threatening financial exigency when in point of fact no cuts were actually made.

Hiring freezes for non-faculty, not replacing professors who have left, and cutting programs and classes are where cuts have been made.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12710 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:36 pm to
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and cutting programs and classes are where cuts have been made.


How many of of those programs that were cut amounted to anything? A school doesn't cut programs with high graduation rates/numbers. They cut the shite that is underperforming.

Maybe those should have been cut anyway. Just like any useless liberal arts or general studies program. Get a real degree or don't get a degree. Those programs are as pointless as a basket weaving class. Just don't go to college if that is all you are going to do. We already have too many people going to college that shouldn't, because that's what society says is the goal for everyone. Some of my own family had no business going to college, but did because it's what society says you're "supposed to do".
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:46 pm to
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How many of of those programs that were cut amounted to anything? A school doesn't cut programs with high graduation rates/numbers. They cut the shite that is underperforming.

A public university is supposed to be a pursuit of profit. That's the point of technical universities that teach specific skills or professions. I agree that too many people go to school, but I don't think devalue learning and research is the right path.

As for what has been cut, you can look up and see that over 35 programs have been completely eliminated from FY2010 to FY2015. From my personal experience, I know that LSU has cut over a dozen foreign language offerings and now only offers a Spanish major in that department.

Even for more "profitable" departments, I've seen the numbers of classes for Business and Engineering courses decrease. Several classes required for graduation went from 2/semester to 1/semester and then to 1/year. I went to LSU during the second half of the Jindal years. They kept reducing classes to make up for it. For some of the more specialized upper courses, they just went away.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 3:51 pm
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26259 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:47 pm to
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And the male/female ratio of graduates was exactly 50/50

This is surprising. Was this just undergrad?

I only ask because I returned to LSU this spring and took a few 4000 level BIOL courses. It was probably 70/30 female to male ratio in all my classes which surprised me.

8 years ago it was closer to 50/50
Posted by npersa1
Austin, TX (#ATX)
Member since Jun 2008
2135 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:58 pm to
Did y'all stop by the library?

LSU grads, on your last day on campus, give your parents a tour of the library

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Whatever the case, please consider reserving ten minutes to take your family on a tour through the disgusting, decrepit Middleton Library.

Show them the repulsive 40-year-old tables and the grimy chairs where you studied. Point out the carpet stains that were there before your dad was a freshman. Be sure to walk through the bathrooms, which would shame even the most inattentive gas station attendant.

Point out the dangling ceiling tiles and the missing floor tiles. And don’t forget to take them downstairs to the basement where the government documents are housed and which doubles as a wading pool after a heavy rain.

Like most people who don’t work or study at LSU, they’ve had no reason to inspect the school’s buildings, which are ostensibly pristine.

...

Oh, and here’s another reason you should taking your parents and grandparents to the library:

Because it’s all you’ve ever known, you may not realize what a disgraceful, crumbling campus this is. See it, at least once, through their eyes.

You may not have visited the sparking campuses of the University of Alabama, the University of Georgia or Ole Miss to see what universities look like in states that value education.

Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
6571 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:16 pm to
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Maybe those should have been cut anyway. Just like any useless liberal arts or general studies program. Get a real degree or don't get a degree. Those programs are as pointless as a basket weaving class.


You're a real peach, aren't you. Lots of fun at parties, I'm sure.

I have a degree in English literature from LSU. I'd be happy to compare incomes with you, if that's your measure of what constitutes a "real" degree, you miserable twit.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:17 pm to
One thing you, and almost every other person in the state, fail to realize is that LSU's revenue has actually been increasing every year since around 04 IIRC. You've been duped
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43077 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:20 pm to
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You may not have visited the sparking campuses of the University of Alabama
We just need a tornado and Saban back and we'll get a complete overhaul like UA did.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:29 pm to
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One thing you, and almost every other person in the state, fail to realize is that LSU's revenue has actually been increasing every year since around 04 IIRC. You've been duped

The money given to the university from the state has not increased.

Private donations that are dedicated to specific projects also contribute to that. Revenue given from the state has continued to decrease and for a per capita basis, LSU ranks 46th out of 50th among flagship universities in state $/student.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:31 pm to
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it works the same way in academia.


it sure does. Old FKing earns $600,000.00 annually.

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The fact that the flagship university has to cut programs and professors is insulting.




are you kidding me? So I guess the "flagship university" never has to go without? It gets fully funded no matter what, eh? frick that. Soon as they learn to live within their means, they can do whatever they want.
You sound like the typical civil service/govt. worker. You have no idea of doing with less at the university level. But you are fine with telling the taxpayer who is forever adjusting their budget to live within their means that they have to pay for your shite.
You know whats insulting? Telling a person who works and pays damn near 50% in combined federal/state/local taxes that they have to pay more b/c LSU is the "flagship".
get it through your skull, WE (THE TAX PAYERS) DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO GIVE TO THE STATE FOR ALL OF THIS. WE ARE TAPPED OUT!!!

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You surely understand the goal of F King is grow the university and improve itself, right?


you surely understand the goal of I and most others is to grow our own bank accounts and provide for our families and improve ourselves, right?


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Hiring freezes for non-faculty, not replacing professors who have left, and cutting programs and classes are where cuts have been made.


yes well, freezing new car purchases, not replacing old appliances or lawn mowers, and cutting vacations and spending on clothes, groceries, nights out, etc. are where we the public are having to make cuts. And it sucks for us as well.
And yet you and every other public official tell me its not enough. Too bad. Learn to live with it. I can't afford LSU being the flagship anymore and neither can Louisiana apparently.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:32 pm to
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SUNO that graduates six kids for every 100 that enroll


FYI, Southern has the lowest graduation rate of any university in the entire country, and continues to employ Bill Jefferson's wife in a do nothing role eligible for a state pension.

Whenever they say there is nothing to cut, remember Southern is quite literally the worst school in the entire country.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30058 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:54 pm to
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LSU isn't really all that expensive. $5400 all in for 15 hour isn't bad at all.

. Tuition isn't the issue for most people, it's the rest of the costs. Room & board is the killer for kids who live too far away to commute. Additionally, every other school offers scholarships to certain kids on the bubble (like a 4.0 student with a 27 ACT, co valedictorian at his school) that LSU will not. Which is probably why you should keep several smaller universities.

I know from my own kids experience. He'll be starting at LSU in the college of science (mathematics). He had full rides to ULL, USM and NLU but his dad raised him to love LSU. How do you tell that kid he can't go to LSU? You do what you have to do to get him there. And proudly.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120190 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:55 pm to
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He said this was the largest graduating class in LSU history, with the largest number of African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and women ever to graduate from LSU.


Why does this need to be said? Why do we need to break people down by sex and race?
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12710 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:03 pm to
Lmao! I knew I would piss off some "twit" with that.

Yeah, I don't think you degree should be offered anymore, at least not at EVERY frickin school. I'm sure there are writers that make more money than me, but I've been published a number of times with no English Literature degree.

The way any housewife or football player can publish a book now a days, what are literature and writing degrees good for?

And before I get called an "uncivilized heathen" or something along those lines, I've studied Hemingway, Thoreau, Shakespeare, etc., etc. I've read The Golden arse, Beowulf, The Odyssey. Quite possibly the worst semesters of my life (although I do enjoy Thoreau).

For what it's worth, though, Philosophy is an even more useless degree in my opinion.

By the way, you pretentious arse, why does growing up in poverty make it more impressive that someone succeeded at LSU? What, poor people can't be smart, work their arse off, and get a degree? It's a great accomplishment, but damn, you make it sound like she did the impossible.

With all of the scholarships and grants out there today, anyone can do anything.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10014 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:11 pm to
My brother was one of the honors grads at the ceremony and I agree with you assessment. Cassidy sounded fricking awful, I have no idea how that man is a politician when he can't speak at all.

It was great to see so many women graduating in the sciences. Ditto for minorities. Hopefully all grads go on to lead a fulfilling life and maybe learn how to give a speech or two along the way.
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