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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:51 am
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:51 am
If you pump LN2 into a vaporizer at 10 gpm at 5000 psi, do you get out 10 gpm GN2 at 5000 psi (assuming everything is sized correctly)?
Posted by OneMoreTime
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:52 am to
Maybe
Posted by ForeverLSU02
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:53 am to
What temperature and specific gravity? Nighttime or daytime? Summer or winter?
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:54 am to
Tree Fiddy gpm, +/- a bit.
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:54 am to
3

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Posted by ForeverLSU02
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:55 am to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:56 am to
288, without parenthesis.

Just do a mass and energy balance from beginning to end.
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:56 am to
I realize you can use them as pressure builders, but this one doesn't seem to be so. They either feed it with 2500 psi liquid or 5000 psi liquid to replenish storage tanks at those pressures. I see a rating on the pump (gpm) and a rating on the vaporizer (gpm), but nothing associated with output other than pressure.
Posted by Gullah Gullah Island
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:57 am to
Is there an elevation change?
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:00 am to
quote:

What temperature and specific gravity? Nighttime or daytime? Summer or winter?


LN2 at -320F, vaporizer sized to convert it all to gas. Pumping that LN2 in under pressure will achieve the same flow out in GN2 under the same pressure...I just don't see any way to assume otherwise.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 11:01 am
Posted by lsualum01
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:29 am to
No engineer or expert in cryogenics but does it follow the perfect gas law? If so, you have to have a temperature change for it to be vaporized. If the temperature was increased and the pressure remains the same, then the volume must change.

Note: I am a dimwit could be completely wrong.
Posted by ChEgrad
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:03 pm to
When you vaporize something it expands - a lot. Thus, you can't get 10 gpm of gaseous nitrogen out of 10 gpm of liquid nitrogen.
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:21 pm to
The expansion factor from LN2 to ambient pressure GN2 is on the order of 700 based on density. This is gas under 1000s of lbs of pressure though.

I'm mainly stuck on the different pressures they drive the vaporizer with...since LN2 is basically incompressible it seems to pressurize the output 1:1. What the effective flow rate on that end is what I'm struggling with.
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

If you pump LN2 into a vaporizer at 10 gpm at 5000 psi, do you get out 10 gpm GN2 at 5000 psi (assuming everything is sized correctly)?


are you saying that if you pump liquid nitrogen into a vaporizer, will you get a gas nitrogen?

Yeah, I think that's what a vaporizer does. But is it really a gas, or is it Vapor? Could be a trick question.
Posted by bayoumuscle21
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

What temperature and specific gravity? Nighttime or daytime? Summer or winter?


This
Posted by paulie
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:30 pm to
N2 conversion

There will be some pressure drop through the vaporizer at different flowrates but depends on the sizing / design pressure drop of the vaporizer. Most of the units that I have worked with have the main gas pressure reducing valve and downstream PSV downstream of the vaporizer. The liquid will expand a lot when it is vaporized.

What exactly are you trying to figure out? Just call your N2 supplier vendor for help and the vaporizer design info. Number of tubes, length of tubes, and gas flowrate all go into the pressure drop calculation.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:49 pm to
No, the volume will be higher than 10 GPM. And the pressure will be below 5,000 psi though probably not by a lot.
Posted by TheAlmightySmash
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:53 pm to
uhhhhh yes? maybe? 60% of the time.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 1:00 pm to
Gas volume would be in GPM?

Wouldn't it have to be in a different unit?
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