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re: Rain Jacket Recommendation
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:30 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:30 pm to Pettifogger
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If you want the best, get something with Gore Tex, preferably an Arcteryx. I have the Beta AR and it is insanely well constructed. Mammut/RAB are really nice as well.
If you want a 100 dollar rain jacket that works most of the time, get a Patagonia Torrentshell or Marmot Precip
This is what I was looking for. I don't work at Niagara Falls. I just need something for hiking, tailgating, walking to my car...
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:30 pm to Pettifogger
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If you want the best, get something with Gore Tex
This is simply not true anymore. Gore Tex is no better or worse than Patagonia's H2NO, TNF's HyVent or any of the others. In fact, it's the exact same thing, but you will pay more for the Gore Tex label. The only waterproof breathable membrane that is truly superior is eVent because it can still breathe while wet, where the others can't.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:35 pm to uglycasanova7
I have a Patagonia and love it.
Patagonia > north face in all categories.
Patagonia > north face in all categories.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:35 pm to wheelr
Damn thats crazy...never had a problem with mine and its been worn in a decent amount of rain
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:35 pm to uglycasanova7
Marmot Precip
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:37 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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This is simply not true anymore. Gore Tex is no better or worse than Patagonia's H2NO, TNF's HyVent or any of the others. In fact, it's the exact same thing, but you will pay more for the Gore Tex label. The only waterproof breathable membrane that is truly superior is eVent because it can still breathe while wet, where the others can't.
Having used H2NO and HyVent extensively, I'm much more impressed with GoreTex Pro shell than either.
When paying for Arcteryx and Mammut you're paying both for better quality control (at least over Marmot, MH and TNF, if not Patagonia) and generally a better fit and finish, in addition to the GT. Now, there have been revisions that supposedly better compare to activeshell or pro shell (Dry Q Elite comes to mind) but I don't know about them, and they're not cheap.
The idea that nobody is using Gore Tex anymore, which I hear frequently from detractors, is odd to me. eVent is certainly excellent, but Patagonia didn't restore its very broken relationship with GT for no reason.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:38 pm to gmrkr5
Not saying this is what happened here, but you would be surprised how many people think their rain jacket or waterproof boots aren't working, when really they're just sweating and not realizing it. It happens a lot.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:38 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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The only waterproof breathable membrane that is truly superior is eVent because it can still breathe while wet, where the others can't.
eVent is good, but from what I've read, NeoShell is the best, most breathable membrane available right now. And Westcomb > (most) Arc'teryx since Arc'teryx moved much of its manufacturing out of Canada.
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:42 pm to Pettifogger
Well it's kind of two fold. For one, Acteryx and Mammut are just head and shoulders better than Pata/TNF/Marmot/MHW/etc. The quality is just better period and it's not close. This would be true if they used Gore Tex or something else. Then there are consumer expectations. People expect Gore Tex when paying $500 for a shell. People just like to see that tag and what they don't realize is that it wouldn't be a $500 shell if it didn't have Gore Tex (those companies have to pay Gore Tex a pretty penny).
So while higher end shells do generally use Gore Tex, I don't believe Gore Tex is better as much as consumers expect to see that tag on a higher end shell.
Kind of like with boots. Vibram soles, in 2014, aren't really any better than anything else. But when someone is gonna drop $300 on some Asolo boots, they're probably gonna wonder why they don't have Vibram soles (if they don't. just an example). Might as well put them on there for that reason alone.
So while higher end shells do generally use Gore Tex, I don't believe Gore Tex is better as much as consumers expect to see that tag on a higher end shell.
Kind of like with boots. Vibram soles, in 2014, aren't really any better than anything else. But when someone is gonna drop $300 on some Asolo boots, they're probably gonna wonder why they don't have Vibram soles (if they don't. just an example). Might as well put them on there for that reason alone.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:44 pm to Thomas Hudson
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eVent is good, but from what I've read, NeoShell is the best, most breathable membrane available right now. And Westcomb > (most) Arc'teryx since Arc'teryx moved much of its manufacturing out of Canada.
Demise of the dead bird is overstated IMO, but I definitely see Westcomb on sale much more often.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:45 pm to uglycasanova7
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Patagonia
Got one from Massey's that's pretty awesome.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:47 pm to thesoccerfanjax
FWIW, I haven't used a 3 layer H2NO, just the 2 layer. I think the 3 layer is pretty good and pricey (but probably a better value than most Gore products), but I also remember hearing that they were moving back to Gore from it, so I'm not sure of the status.
Also, I think I mentioned RAB above, which now that I think about it, uses eVent pretty extensively.
Also, I think I mentioned RAB above, which now that I think about it, uses eVent pretty extensively.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:49 pm to uglycasanova7
Columbia
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:49 pm to uglycasanova7
Marmot has a good one for around $100 that I've found I like a lot more than my $300 Columbia.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:50 pm to Pettifogger
Yea. I mean don't get me wrong. I don't think Gore Tex is bad at all. Like I said, there's a reason most high end shells use Gore Tex fabric. But then there's a range of shells in the $200 range that are $100 more than they should be because of that little tag (*coughTNFcough*). That's when GTX isn't worth it.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:52 pm to Pettifogger
Yea. I mean don't get me wrong. I don't think Gore Tex is bad at all. Like I said, there's a reason most high end shells use Gore Tex fabric. But then there's a range of shells in the $200 range that are $100 more than they should be because of that little tag (*coughTNFcough*). That's when GTX isn't worth it.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:52 pm to wheelr
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wheelr
I'm not sure you know what casual means. Why does he need technical adventure gear to get in and out of his car on a rainy day?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:53 pm to PGT Beauregard
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Columbia
Stay away from Columbia rain gear. FAR AWAY.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:57 pm to uglycasanova7
i found a Colombia off of ebay, that and my barbour are awesome.
you can find a good one online for like $35
you can find a good one online for like $35
Posted on 1/21/14 at 1:03 pm to uglycasanova7
Scottevest
Google it. I have vest / jacket combo.
Google it. I have vest / jacket combo.
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