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Question for OT electricians
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:15 pm
Breaker keeps tripping outside for the oven primarily when the oven isn't even on. I've replaced the single post 30 amp fuse outside and still having this problem. When I flip the breaker I see a flash behind the panel door covering.
I've checked the connections at the breaker box and all connections at the box behind the oven where it is hard wired. Also checked connections inside the back of the oven.
What causes this to flip when the oven isn't even in use except for the display clock being on?
Is something possibly making contact with the wire somewhere? Will call electrician if the OT can't solve this mystery.
TIA
I've checked the connections at the breaker box and all connections at the box behind the oven where it is hard wired. Also checked connections inside the back of the oven.
What causes this to flip when the oven isn't even in use except for the display clock being on?
Is something possibly making contact with the wire somewhere? Will call electrician if the OT can't solve this mystery.
TIA
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:18 pm to tigerbutt
If it is tripping as soon as you throw the breaker, it is going directly to ground, most likely the oven. Unplug oven and see what happens (if possible)
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:21 pm to theantiquetiger
I'll take it out and try. Thanks
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:22 pm to tigerbutt
I do not think you would have a 30A fuse outside for your indoor stove. Out door fuse would probably be for your ac unit.
Are you sure the tripping breaker is for your stove?
A flash from behind the cover warrants a call to a professional electrician.
Are you sure the tripping breaker is for your stove?
A flash from behind the cover warrants a call to a professional electrician.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:22 pm to tigerbutt
Breakers can just fail as well. I've had to replace a few over the years.
Disregard, I didn't notice the "flash" comment.
Disregard, I didn't notice the "flash" comment.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:23 pm to tigerbutt
Call an electrician!
Let me know if I can be of any further assistance
Let me know if I can be of any further assistance
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:24 pm to tigerbutt
If you are seeing a flash and you are coming here asking questions then call an electrician.
It could be that the breaker is bad or a loose connection.
It could be that the breaker is bad or a loose connection.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:24 pm to tigerbutt
something in the oven is going directly to ground.
I had a customer with an old oven with this problem recently and it was the ancient timer doing it, so I rewired the oven to bypass the timer.
In a modern oven, some ovens keep L2 hot to the bake elements at all times and then only switch the L1, in those ovens, when an element breaks it can ground and short.
even when off.
What I would do is with the breaker off, see what leg of the breaker is in continuity with ground. If it's the l2 or red, it could be simple, if it's the l1 or black it's usually more of a pain.
This is not a job for an electrician, it's a job for an appliance guy. The problem is at the appliance not the line.
Could be a couple of things, and like I tell people every day. Its really really hard to diagnose unknown problems without doing a hands on diagnostic.
Also if it's a GE it's likely a shorted relay on the control board
I had a customer with an old oven with this problem recently and it was the ancient timer doing it, so I rewired the oven to bypass the timer.
In a modern oven, some ovens keep L2 hot to the bake elements at all times and then only switch the L1, in those ovens, when an element breaks it can ground and short.
even when off.
What I would do is with the breaker off, see what leg of the breaker is in continuity with ground. If it's the l2 or red, it could be simple, if it's the l1 or black it's usually more of a pain.
This is not a job for an electrician, it's a job for an appliance guy. The problem is at the appliance not the line.
Could be a couple of things, and like I tell people every day. Its really really hard to diagnose unknown problems without doing a hands on diagnostic.
Also if it's a GE it's likely a shorted relay on the control board
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:26 pm to BHM
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I do not think you would have a 30A fuse outside for your indoor stove. Our door fuse would probably be for your ac unit.
Electric ovens require at minimum a two pole 30 amp breaker. Not all breakers are outside, not all are inside. I'm sure he knows what breaker it is as he said it's the oven that is going off and has identified the breaker.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:31 pm to Napoleon
He said he replaaced a 30A FUSE outside and the BREAKER was also tripping.
If he has a breaker box outside then chances are he would not have a stove fuse box outside as well. An ac unit would have an outdoor fuse box.
Also did not see where he said the stove was actually going off.
If he has a breaker box outside then chances are he would not have a stove fuse box outside as well. An ac unit would have an outdoor fuse box.
Also did not see where he said the stove was actually going off.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:32 pm to BHM
quote:
He said he replaaced a 30A FUSE outside and the BREAKER was also tripping.
If he has a breaker box outside then chances are he would not have a stove fuse box outside as well. An ac unit would have an outdoor fuse box.
some older homes or trailers have fuse boxes with everything outside.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:35 pm to BHM
didn't catch that, just thought he was like most old people that interchange fuses and breakers.
I also didn't see that the flash was in the breaker panel.
Yeah fuses are only for AC systems now, espcially big single pole ones.
Unless he has really old electrical.
I thought he said the flash was behind the oven panel.
In this instance it sounds like there is a short in the wire behind that panel.
If you are asking questions here it may be too much to do.
Most people freak when they take that cover panel off.
I also didn't see that the flash was in the breaker panel.
Yeah fuses are only for AC systems now, espcially big single pole ones.
Unless he has really old electrical.
I thought he said the flash was behind the oven panel.
In this instance it sounds like there is a short in the wire behind that panel.
If you are asking questions here it may be too much to do.
Most people freak when they take that cover panel off.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:38 pm to diat150
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some older homes or trailers have fuse boxes with everything outside.
Yes, but they would not have breakers AND fuse boxes as he is describing. At least none that I have ever seen.
If his main breaker panel is outside as he says, then the only fuse box outside would probably be for his ac.
The quick check for his issue would be to unplug stove as mentioned. If breaker still trips then it is a wiring problem.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:39 pm to tigerbutt
quote:Sounds like a sure thing
Is something possibly making contact with the wire somewhere?
quote:Just means the short to ground/neutral is before the wires get to the oven.
What causes this to flip when the oven isn't even in use except for the display clock being on?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:43 pm to airfernando
If the breaker trips with the stove unplugged, call an electrician.
If it only trips when the stove is plugged in, call Napoleon and don't forget to tip.
If it only trips when the stove is plugged in, call Napoleon and don't forget to tip.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:43 pm to airfernando
quote:
Just means the short to ground/neutral is before the wires get to the oven.
Just to point this out, there is not a switch on the outlet to the oven. There is live 240 volts to the board at all times in an oven. Some ovens keep a leg of power to the element at all times. Most newer ovens do have both legs on a relay, but not all.
I had an oven with a gremlin short. Turned out to be rat damage.
If it's a range, I would unplug it to isolate the breaker and see if it still trips. that would tell you if it's the oven or not. If it's a wall oven, you can't do that.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:51 pm to Napoleon
These threads drive me fricking bonkers.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:53 pm to tigerbutt
disconnect the oven at the junction box, cap off the wires and see what happens. If it trips again it is a wiring problem. If it holds you have an oven issue,
Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:14 pm to Kajungee
quote:
disconnect the oven at the junction box, cap off the wires and see what happens. If it trips again it is a wiring problem. If it holds you have an oven issue,
This, isolate the appliance and test. You are just chasing your tail if you don't narrow it down between the house wiring and the appliance.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:40 pm to tigerbutt
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