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Question about police underage liquor buying schemes
Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:52 pm
Is the act of attempting to buy liquor while underage illegal? I witnessed one of these and the clerk was arrested for failing to check ID.
Had the clerk ID'd this person and then denied the sale could she have pressed charges against both the underage drinker and the police?
Had the clerk ID'd this person and then denied the sale could she have pressed charges against both the underage drinker and the police?
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:54 pm to antibarner
I think in Georgia, it is illegal for a business to refuse an id if it appaears legitimate.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:54 pm to antibarner
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Had the clerk ID'd this person and then denied the sale could she have pressed charges against both the underage drinker and the police?
Press charges for what??
Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:55 pm to antibarner
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could she have pressed charges against both the underage drinker?
Only a bitch would think like this
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:55 pm to antibarner
What the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 6:57 pm to antibarner
The ATC does not try to trick the cashier. Half the time they are around 12-15 years of age and look as if they are 12-15. Plus they send an agent in the store to witness the transaction.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:04 pm to antibarner
So if I'm following your logic, that would make just about any undercover operation illegal by your thought process? Drug bust set ups, prostitution stings etc...
Bet your rethinking this post just about now.
Bet your rethinking this post just about now.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:05 pm to Aristo
If it is illegal to attempt to purchase it is a crime. Entrapment comes to mind as far as the cops go. The underage kid I saw was about 6 ft 3 or so and looked older than he was.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:07 pm to antibarner
Oh my bad I misunderstood you. But for the ATC it has to be a valid ID as well as not expired or anything. So basically its all on the clerk to check it and deny them.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:10 pm to bott18240
I think many of them are. Lets say you are downtown minding your own business, on foot or in a vehicle it doesn't matter, and a "streetwalker" attempts to solicit you. You tell her not no but hell no and call the police. I think you could press charges.
I would be pretty pissed that those bastards tried to ruin not only my day by arresting me as a john, but my reputation too.
I would be pretty pissed that those bastards tried to ruin not only my day by arresting me as a john, but my reputation too.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:13 pm to bott18240
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Oh my bad I misunderstood you. But for the ATC it has to be a valid ID as well as not expired or anything. So basically its all on the clerk to check it and deny them.
ATC rules are frickin retarded
You can have a regular whose 24 years old forget his ID and if they bust in there and he doesn't have it and even if he later proves that he was over age, the bartender can get fined and fired
At the same time the bartenders don't have a responsibility to sniff out fakes. If you have a good fake ID there's nothing they can hold against the bar. But if your ID is expired by a day you're not supposed to sell it to them
Also from what I've heard ATC is usually pretty damn obvious whenever they pull off a sting.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:15 pm to athenslife101
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for a business to refuse an id if it appaears legitimate.
I doubt it. Right to refuse service is always reserved to the bartender for any reason. I can't see how that law would be possible
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:16 pm to antibarner
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I think many of them are. Lets say you are downtown minding your own business, on foot or in a vehicle it doesn't matter, and a "streetwalker" attempts to solicit you. You tell her not no but hell no and call the police. I think you could press charges.
I would be pretty pissed that those bastards tried to ruin not only my day by arresting me as a john, but my reputation too.
In a lot of places that's entrapment and the charges would get thrown out. The john would have to approach the undercover officer.
In the case of the ATC sting, law enforcement is initiating the encounter so it should be considered entrapment and there should be no criminal case. However, if you think of a liquor license as a privilege and a business regulation, you could make an argument for fining the establishment.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:18 pm to antibarner
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The underage kid I saw was about 6 ft 3 or so and looked older than he was.
All the kids they send us are very obvious, so I don't if that one agent is a dick or not.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:19 pm to Aristo
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The ATC does not try to trick the cashier. Half the time they are around 12-15 years of age and look as if they are 12-15. Plus they send an agent in the store to witness the transaction.
Shut the frick up, narc.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:22 pm to LucasP
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Shut the frick up, narc.
Quit trippin'
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:23 pm to Aristo
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trippin
Sounds like something a cop would say.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:23 pm to wildtigercat93
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Right to refuse service is always reserved to the bartender for any reason.
I could see a scenario where a bar owner tells the bartenders they cannot refuse if a customer has a ID.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:23 pm to LucasP
There was no one in the store but myself and my coworker, the clerk and the underage kid. The cops came in after the sale
Posted on 12/1/15 at 7:24 pm to LucasP
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Sounds like something a cop would say.
Nah, I like money.
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