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re: People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine?
Posted on 1/11/14 at 7:17 am to inadaze
Posted on 1/11/14 at 7:17 am to inadaze
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I don't know if you've decided to duck out of this conversation or not, but I'd still like to read your reasoning on the social environment argument.
I often hear the defense argument regarding homosexuality among animals in nature, but what is this argument alleged to prove?
Cannibalism and incest also occur in nature, so it doesn't prove that it's healthy or natural in any way simply because it rarely occurs in nature.
The animals mentioned in this common argument are never assumed to have rare defects responsible for such behaviors.
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 7:40 am to NoNameNeeded
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I often hear the defense argument regarding homosexuality among animals in nature, but what is this argument alleged to prove?
I am not defending or trying to prove anything! I don't know why this is getting misunderstood. I was asking for an explanation, which made elperez00 get defensive and say foolish things.
The links I provided are in response to these comments by elprez00:
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If we treat humans as animals, animals primary goals in existence are to survive and reproduce. To say someone is born gay is contrary to the most basic principals of biology.
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And I'd still argue that instances of homosexuality, in all animals, is a product of social environment. If you put a bunch of male rats in a box and they all start doing a rat around the world, it isn't because they were born that way.
That is what I'm responding to. That's it.
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 7:54 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:38 am to eitek1
quote:There's actually studies you can Google on just that, or something along those lines that most people would be shocked by.
So you are saying pedophiles are born that way? Pedophiles face much worse punishment than homosexuals. Are you saying they don't choose to be that way?
There are a shite ton of people walking around that suppress their attraction to children. They absolutely know its wrong and deplorable, but at the same time, you can't control how you feel, you can only control how you act or don't act upon it.
That doesn't necessarily suggest they were born that way, I know. But it's along the same lines and shows that the attraction itself is not a choice.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:43 am to eitek1
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So back to the pedophiles... If a pedophile chooses to molest the same sex does he have a choice?
Yes, he does have a choice to molest or not to molest the same sex. Who he's attracted to to molest, I'd guess not as much of a choice.
quote:too bad your response was ignorant and uninformed.
I was posting in response to the stupid argument that since it makes life difficult logically no one would choose that path
Can't win em all. Keep trying, maybe educate yourself, you'll do better, champ!!!
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 9:09 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:47 am to eitek1
quote:actually, my argument is consistent, yours changes to fit whatever criteria you want.
Are you willing to say pedophiles are born that way? Is it really any different? Folks on here are saying that you can't help who you are attracted to so there is no true choice. If there isn't a choice you must be born that way. I don't quite understand how the argument seems to change depending on who you are talking about.
Unless of course, you're willing to admit you chose to heterosexual.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:19 am to shel311
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If we're basing this on logic, you got it opposite. I assume you're straight. Think about how much you love chicks and how gross just the mention of 2 dudes are. The logic would suggest that no person born straight would freely CHOOSE to be gay. To say they would choose that would mean you could choose that if you wanted to. I don't know about you, but I couldn't enjoy being gay, so...
I arrived at this conclusion long ago. There's no way it's a choice.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:41 am to wallowinit
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I arrived at this conclusion long ago. There's no way it's a choice.
This.
I think the argument that people are or are not "born gay" is irrelevant. I'm not sure people are born gay, or straight. I do think you don't have a choice in who you're attracted to. Whether that is nature, nurture, or some combination I don't know.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:47 am to thesoccerfanjax
quote:That's another thing not many mention when discussing this topic, it doesn't even matter.
I think the argument that people are or are not "born gay" is irrelevant
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:58 am to shel311
Yea. Too often the focus is on whether or not they are born that way (and that's the fault of both sides). For whatever reason, some people believe that if they weren't born that way, it must be a choice. I don't think that's the case either.
And as for those who cite examples of kids who were made to do "girly" things and then turned out gay, how do you explain the professional athletes who are starting to come out? It's definitely possible they put on a masculine front, especially in their line of work. I can't say I would blame them for that. But just to get where they are in their sport, I don't think they would have gotten there by being a closeted Liberache type gay.
And as for those who cite examples of kids who were made to do "girly" things and then turned out gay, how do you explain the professional athletes who are starting to come out? It's definitely possible they put on a masculine front, especially in their line of work. I can't say I would blame them for that. But just to get where they are in their sport, I don't think they would have gotten there by being a closeted Liberache type gay.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:59 am to inadaze
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Can animals be gay
No
How many videos do I need to post of animals humping human legs before you agree that humping legs in public is natural and should be protected by law?
Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:35 pm to League Champs
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Can animals be gay
No
Quote from a link in this thread:
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One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."
Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:44 pm to shel311
Basically social "science" is whatever liberals dream up to further their agenda at any given moment.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:49 pm to League Champs
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How many videos do I need to post of animals humping human legs before you agree that humping legs in public is natural and should be protected by law?
A foolish statement on so many levels.
Again, I was responding to elprez00's comments only!
I am NOT using the talk of animals as a springboard to make an argument about the naturality of human homosexuality. You are falsely assuming that.
I do support gay rights, but for other reasons. Not because of homosexual behavior among animals. And the bizarro idiocy in this thread from the anti-gay people has made me a stronger proponent of gay rights.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:59 pm to inadaze
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A foolish statement on so many levels.
Because you say so
I'm doing a start up, marrymyleg. com
If animals do it, it has to be natural. And surely a cause the Supremes will side with
Posted on 1/11/14 at 6:05 pm to League Champs
What is wrong with you?
You continue to insist that I am making an argument about human homosexuality on the basis of animal homosexuality.
I AM NOT!!!
I responded to specific comments from elprez00.
You continue to insist that I am making an argument about human homosexuality on the basis of animal homosexuality.
I AM NOT!!!
I responded to specific comments from elprez00.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 7:08 pm to Iona Fan Man
Anyone who says people don't turn gay has never done time. People turn and stay gay all the time. Some are born that way, sure, but not all.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 7:17 pm to inadaze
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Inadaze
Jimmies [rustled]\ unrustled
I'm sorry I haven't responded. I've been too busy watching football.
I wish I cared enough to go back and respond to each of the articles you linked, I read a few. But I just don't.
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