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re: People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:18 pm to eitek1
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:18 pm to eitek1
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Fair enough. I get it but I'm not talking about the act itself. I'm talking about the inclination or driver to commit the act.
So using the "born this way" argument. Are you willing to say pedophiles are born that way? Is it really any different? Folks on here are saying that you can't help who you are attracted to so there is no true choice. If there isn't a choice you must be born that way. I don't quite understand how the argument seems to change depending on who you are talking about.
Also could you link the old thread or give me some search words. I am genuinely interested in the responses.
They may have been born that way but when they act on it it's a major problem. Homosexual relationships are victim-less. Pedophile attacks not so much.
eta: As for your keyword search. I guess you could type "gay" in the box. Have fun with that though.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:21 pm to LSUdm21
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If there isn't a choice you must be born that way.
Wrong conclusion. A person doesn't have a choice in all the life experiences that shapes that person into who he/she is as an adult.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:21 pm to Antonio Moss
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I often brought up the idea that are biological characteristics support what she believed to be social constructs. She would never enter into that conversation.
Why is this always the case?
My wife had a crazy freaking professor lady who taught that Frankenstein was just the gay alter-ego of the scientist, and she bragged about allowing her little boy to choose what "gender" he wanted to be on any given day.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:24 pm to Iona Fan Man
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People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine?
I don't think so... and here is why.
1. My son was born just over 12 years ago. About the same time he also had a male cousin and female cousin born. These three kids were around each other virtually daily (the same aunt kept them during the day). While all three played well with one another we noted that the girl naturally gravitated to "girly" toys like baby dolls and stuffed animals. My son and his male cousin however showed no interest in her toys and instead played with "boy" toys like trucks and things. These toys were all kept together in a toy box at the aunts house and their aunt left them free to choose whatever toys they wanted.
2. My daughter is 5 yrs old. She has grown up in a house full of boy toys (my son's). She has shown zero interest in them and instead gravitates to "girly" things. In fact if I had to characterize her, she is far more the girly princess type than anything.
Now I'm sure you can steer a kid any which way you want. In fact I'm about to introduce my daughter to tee-ball this spring. But I think unless you really just guide them one way with a heavy hand, the vast majority will, of their own will, gravitate to their natural gender.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:29 pm to Darth_Vader
I agree that there are some gender tendencies that people tend to gravitate towards. However, I think that something that people should be cognizant of in these anecdotal situations is that there have probably been environmental factors that influence gender associations that you don't even recognize as being significant to a child.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:30 pm to eitek1
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If you read the article you linked you would see the following statement...
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Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity
In other words animals will exhibit homosexual tenancies but will still have a drive to breed. Which makes them technically bisexual.
Don't worry, he didn't read the article. Stop trying to confuse his reasoning.
And I'd still argue that instances of homosexuality, in all animals, is a product of social environment. If you put a bunch of male rats in a box and they all start doing a rat around the world, it isn't because they were born that way.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:14 pm to eitek1
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In other words animals will exhibit homosexual tenancies but will still have a drive to breed. Which makes them technically bisexual.
The word you are looking for is tendencies.
Right after the quote you pulled, it says this:
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One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."
That's not bisexuality, which BTW, I said nothing of.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:18 pm to elprez00
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Don't worry, he didn't read the article. Stop trying to confuse his reasoning.
Wow. That's an incredible omniscience you 2 have.
What is my reasoning? I asked you a fricking question. I didn't reason through anything in that post. WHAT THE FRICK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:42 pm to elprez00
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If you put a bunch of male rats in a box and they all start doing a rat around the world, it isn't because they were born that way.
What's your REASONING for saying this?
BTW, I'm not on any particular side in this debate. I'll come down on this issue wherever the information leads me. You got defensive for no REASON.
I do have to admit, I wonder about people who are strong deniers of homosexuality, like Ted Haggard.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 1/10/14 at 4:45 pm to Iona Fan Man
Wrong. Boys are boys and they are just wired differently than girls.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:01 pm to Iona Fan Man
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:25 am to elprez00
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If you put a bunch of male rats in a box and they all start doing a rat around the world, it isn't because they were born that way.
This is a flawed assumption because you cannot compare human sexuality and sexual behaviors to animals.
My knowledge may be outdated, but most animals' sex drive is driven by pheromones usually released by the opposite sex and only during certain times - the breeding seasons. Thus, sex for most animals are for the instinctual propagation of the species and not for pleasure gratification.
So... if you put a bunch of male rats together, they will not start humping each other. Why would they want to? The rats are more concern with everyday survival than trying to get some tail. Now if you introduce an in heat female rat pheromone... these rats may start the 'rat around the world'. However, they are doing that NOT because they suddenly found other male rats attractive, they are instinctively responding to the effect of the pheromone.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 12:52 am to Lokistale
Preface: I had a pit bull and a boston terrier that were both males. They were never around female dogs. They were about the same age (a couple of months difference) and grew up together. The pit was fixed, the BT wasn't.
I would catch them laid up with the BT licking the PB's penis. The PB would also sodomize the BT. Were my dogs gay? Or do animals, although I've heard (and just read) differently, engage in sexual acts for enjoyment rather than just procreation purposes?
I would catch them laid up with the BT licking the PB's penis. The PB would also sodomize the BT. Were my dogs gay? Or do animals, although I've heard (and just read) differently, engage in sexual acts for enjoyment rather than just procreation purposes?
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 12:56 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 1:01 am to DLauw
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BT licking the PB's penis
I don't believe animals view this as sexual.
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The PB would also sodomize the BT
Dogs hump each other to establish dominance. My mom has a female rat terrier that tries to hump my male boston/pitt mix any time I bring him over to their house.
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 1:02 am
Posted on 1/11/14 at 1:06 am to Tuscaloosa
Asserting dominance with a sexual act- that sounds like prison.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 1:54 am to Darth_Vader
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the girl naturally gravitated to "girly" toys
As defined by who?
Girls may like tea sets, but you cant define tea pots as "girly". What makes something girly? A toy company defines girly, not ones play choices. What did kids play with before there were toy companies? And what made their choices manly or girly?
My sisters played ball with me, and forced me to play dolls with them. None of us are gay
Before I was born manly men danced. Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Cagney, etc. Now dancers are overwhelmingly gay. What changed that? Not because gay men were born attracted to dance, but over time society changed the label. A boy in dance class now, well, ya know
So saying straight girls do girly things and vice versa with boys, actually confirms the OP. Kids are trained and sometimes bullied to make lifestyle choices due to expectations
Especially since science has given up on finding that the ghey is in the DNA
Posted on 1/11/14 at 4:17 am to League Champs
Most gays and individuals exhibiting gender identity disorder seem mentally defected, but this is based on personal observation.
Most appear to have sort of a multiple personality/split personality issue going on in their minds.
Of course, psychology is somewhat of a pseudoscience and based on a shaky foundation to begin with. Have any of you considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there are some individuals that have drifted so far from what God intended and have opened themselves up to possession by evil spirits? There has to be some reason why unexplained phenomena such as homosexuality and pedophilia can't be explained by anything of this world.
Laugh all you want, but I do not feel as though anyone can completely rule out the spiritual aspect as a legitimate possibility.
Most appear to have sort of a multiple personality/split personality issue going on in their minds.
Of course, psychology is somewhat of a pseudoscience and based on a shaky foundation to begin with. Have any of you considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there are some individuals that have drifted so far from what God intended and have opened themselves up to possession by evil spirits? There has to be some reason why unexplained phenomena such as homosexuality and pedophilia can't be explained by anything of this world.
Laugh all you want, but I do not feel as though anyone can completely rule out the spiritual aspect as a legitimate possibility.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:13 am to NoNameNeeded
Anyone who saw Who's the Boss knew that 5 year old Danny was going to be gay. I believe its a genetic thing and you are born that way.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:20 am to tigerbait3488
I grew up with a set of twins. Knew them all there lives. One show early in life he was a bit girly at a young age. I'm talking at 10 or 11. Well, sure as hell he turn out gay, but not his twin.
Oh, the sad part was that we died at a young age of 32 from Aids. Really.
In this was back in the very early 1980's.
Oh, the sad part was that we died at a young age of 32 from Aids. Really.
In this was back in the very early 1980's. Posted on 1/11/14 at 7:07 am to elprez00
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elprez00
I don't know if you've decided to duck out of this conversation or not, but I'd still like to read your reasoning on the social environment argument.
I've never really studied this, but your strange, asinine comments spurred me to look into it further:
Human homosexuality: How unique are we really?
Can Animals Be Gay?
Can Animals Really Be Gay?
List of animals displaying homosexual behavior
Pure Nature Specials - Animal Homosexuality
And here's a video from a much different angle:
Public Targeted with Military "Gay Bomb" Technology
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 7:15 am
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