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re: OT History Board - Spanish Conquistadors
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:17 pm to Mr Personality
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:17 pm to Mr Personality
If that's what you teach your students, they should get a refund.
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:18 pm to athenslife101
What is incorrect?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:21 pm to Hiawatha
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If decimating an entire population with disease, destroying one of the most advanced civilizations in the world and forcibly trying to convert the survivors to Christianity makes someone a "bad dude," then sure
Interesting, sounds like a microcosm of what happened throughout the history of human civilization.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:26 pm to Mr Personality
Pizarro had some pretty humble roots for accomplishing all he did.
I thought it was his sister?
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Atahualpa's wife.
I thought it was his sister?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:28 pm to STLDawg
Thank you. I was wondering if someone would bring it up so i didn't have to. The Spanish were expeers at moving quickly into and converting large expanses of territory.
We're they brutal. Yeah. They had to be. They had to show that you don't frick with them or they'd have been killed.
Also, people always think of the conquistadors as The Spanish. Few ever really remember that the conquistadors were moving into these new places as members of chartered companies.
We're they brutal. Yeah. They had to be. They had to show that you don't frick with them or they'd have been killed.
Also, people always think of the conquistadors as The Spanish. Few ever really remember that the conquistadors were moving into these new places as members of chartered companies.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:29 pm to Mr Personality
One interesting topic-- ask them why the northern hemisphere in the New World (mainly one specific part of it) has outperformed its southern counterpart in every conceivable measure over the last 300 years.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:32 pm to athenslife101
So you're just not going to answer my question?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:36 pm to Mr Personality
Nothing, just being a dick. I do think it's wrong to portray them as overwhelming cruel. Id say the 1500s were the cruelest century I've ever really looked at. England and Germany implemented new laws of capital punishment that were boiling people alive and the 1500s were when all of Germany's infamous torture laws were written. The Middle Ages weren't great obviously but I think people misappropriate a lot of shite from the early modern onto the Middle Ages.
Fun fact, the Pope did not endorse the Inquisition. The king went on with it against the wishes of the pope for politics purposes.
Fun fact, the Pope did not endorse the Inquisition. The king went on with it against the wishes of the pope for politics purposes.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:36 pm to CroakaBait
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how purely brutal the Spanish really were to indigenous pop's
Let's not get to romanticizing the Aztecs. They were a horrible "civilization".
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:38 pm to athenslife101
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We're they brutal. Yeah. They had to be. They had to show that you don't frick with them or they'd have been killed
They "had to" cross an ocean and destroy Tenochtitlan? Destroy a civilization that welcomed the Spaniards to their city? Ok.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:39 pm to athenslife101
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Fun fact, the Pope did not endorse the Inquisition. The king went on with it against the wishes of the pope for politics purposes.
Don't let that get in the way of people slamming Christianity/the Church. They have that and blue laws to equivocate Christianity with Islam.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:41 pm to Tigris
Yep. They wrote about 4 inches of dried blood were built up on an alter after a day of sacraficing.
Another fun fact, the South American countries still haven't forgiven Spain yet. I had a friend in spain and he said he said he wouldn't tell South Americans were he was from because they wouldn't deal with a "imperialist conquistador". He was actually from the really small town Cortez was born in and he definitly wouldn't tell them that.
Another fun fact, the South American countries still haven't forgiven Spain yet. I had a friend in spain and he said he said he wouldn't tell South Americans were he was from because they wouldn't deal with a "imperialist conquistador". He was actually from the really small town Cortez was born in and he definitly wouldn't tell them that.
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:43 pm to Mr Personality
They brought real pork to the New World. Bacon.. frick yes!!
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:46 pm to athenslife101
What makes it even more incredible was that these weren't "professional" soldiers. We're not talking about 167 spec ops comma dos of their time, but just regular guys like accountants, farmers, brick layers, etc.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:46 pm to athenslife101
quote:I think I read the same account. It's been a long time. If I remember the Spaniards saw what was going on and decided they were going to put an end to it. I think ole Montezuma even wanted to sacrifice some indian prisoners for the Spaniards in honor of their visit and for their entertainment.
Yep. They wrote about 4 inches of dried blood were built up on an alter after a day of sacrificing
Posted on 8/26/15 at 6:57 pm to mauser
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If I remember the Spaniards saw what was going on and decided they were going to put an end to it.
False. The conquest had nothing to do with sacrifices or Spanish morality. A glance at even the Wikipedia article regarding the conquest would be helpful before you start contributing to a subject you know nothing about.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:12 pm to Hiawatha
It did have a lot to with it. Greed was their main motivation but they were absolutely horrified by what they saw the Aztecs doing. They wrote about their disgust in their memoirs.
It's kinda funny that with all of Cortez's greed, he ended up broke.
It's kinda funny that with all of Cortez's greed, he ended up broke.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:19 pm to Hiawatha
I read an account written by a person who supposed to have been there. Sorry that I missed the Wikipedia article.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:28 pm to mauser
I would ignore him, he's got a narrative to push. He's basically accusing the Iberians of premeditated bioterrorism.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:40 pm to Lou Pai
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He's basically accusing the Iberians of premeditated bioterrorism.
The Mongols beat the Iberians to the punch with bioterrorism/biological warfare by about 200 years.
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