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re: OT Christians: how did you figure out what denomination you are?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:18 pm to The Dutch Oven
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:18 pm to The Dutch Oven
Right, where does it say he makes provisions?
I am not versed in every chapter of the bible.
I am not versed in every chapter of the bible.
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:18 pm to The Dutch Oven
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Scripture written by whom
Scripture written in the Bible. Scripture written by the Holy Spirit through men.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:18 pm to JudgeHolden
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Read some. Talk to thoughtful people. (I'm not putting down the poster here; he's sincere, but you may benefit from a more nuanced discussion.). You've got a spiritual side no matter what you reject or believe. Delve into it.
There's a lot to Jesus. Don't take the word of someone else, or the culture, about who he is. Figure it out on your own.
ive gone back and forth on it. grew up in a strict catholic fam so I lived on that side of the spectrum, and when I first quit believing, I read a ton of atheist books and shite thinking i was a badass. I'm pretty neutral now. I talk about it if people want to talk about it. I'll go to church when people ask me to go and I just spend my time meditating. I dont hate, I just dont agree
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:19 pm to ColdDuck
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But isn't god the one who starts life in the womb, so he is intentionally letting people be born of other faiths.
Yes. But like I said in a previous post - everyone will have a fair opportunity to be taught and then decide whether to accept or reject the gospel of Christ. If it doesn't occur in this life, it will occur in the next life.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:20 pm to The Dutch Oven
Pascal's Wager
The philosophy uses the following logic (excerpts from Pensées, part III, §233):
"God is, or He is not"
A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.
You must wager (it is not optional).
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.
The philosophy uses the following logic (excerpts from Pensées, part III, §233):
"God is, or He is not"
A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.
You must wager (it is not optional).
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:20 pm to EST
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Yes. But like I said in a previous post - everyone will have a fair opportunity to be taught and then decide whether to accept or reject the gospel of Christ. If it doesn't occur in this life, it will occur in the next life.
Where does it say this in the Bible?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:20 pm to ColdDuck
quote:doesn't bother me at all
feeling uncomfortable that most of humanity is going to hell or there already
actually I enjoy knowing all you smartasses will be burning in eternal hellfire
but that's just me
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:21 pm to EST
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If it doesn't occur in this life, it will occur in the next life.
Whoa, another life? None of my bible thumping buddies brought this up? So I am good in this life and can deal with it later, sweet.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:23 pm to Kafka
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actually I enjoy knowing all you smartasses will be burning in eternal hellfire
Nah, no one ever mentions the devil, so I don't think he exists....
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:24 pm to Hazelnut
Which is where we disagree
I do not believe the words of God were whispered into these men's ears nor were they divinely enlightened to write the Holy Book by God himself. Some people even today claim to "hear" from God. Suffice to say i have a hard time believing this is or ever was a real occurrence.
Which goes back to what i was saying about God meddling in the affairs of the world--if he did, why does he not make them just? I mentioned of my innocent relative dying. Why? It only makes sense to me that he does not meddle and simply sets things in motion. Which is why i do not believe that enlightened men 2,000 years ago wrote holy words that hinge on the everlasting death or life of all of humanity
I do not believe the words of God were whispered into these men's ears nor were they divinely enlightened to write the Holy Book by God himself. Some people even today claim to "hear" from God. Suffice to say i have a hard time believing this is or ever was a real occurrence.
Which goes back to what i was saying about God meddling in the affairs of the world--if he did, why does he not make them just? I mentioned of my innocent relative dying. Why? It only makes sense to me that he does not meddle and simply sets things in motion. Which is why i do not believe that enlightened men 2,000 years ago wrote holy words that hinge on the everlasting death or life of all of humanity
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:25 pm to ColdDuck
"Go then...there are other worlds than these..."
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:26 pm to Hazelnut
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Scripture written in the Bible. Scripture written by the Holy Spirit through men.
Written by.. New Testament or Old Testament? Men trading stories and deciding, yes this is true? Billions of people doomed from where they were born and their culture. Oh yea...
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:26 pm to Hazelnut
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Where does it say this in the Bible?
the bible says the earth is 5000 years old. i wouldnt put much stock into what is or isnt in it. it's like a collection of parables to teach lessons. well...the new testament is, at least
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:27 pm to ColdDuck
quote:like hell
no one ever mentions the devil
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:27 pm to Carson123987
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I dont hate, I just dont agree
Solid copy.
And I will never try to argue you toward God. All I can say that for me, it is the light at the core of my life.
Let me add only this. There's a lot of room between strict Catholicism and atheism. I really hope you find your way to your light, whatever that turns out to be.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:27 pm to The Dutch Oven
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It only makes sense to me that he does not meddle and simply sets things in motion
So does it piss you off as much as me when a plane crashes and one person lives and they say it was a miracle, even though everyone else is dead?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:27 pm to TulaneUVA
Parents were baptist
Grandparents were baptist
That's all I've ever known
Grandparents were baptist
That's all I've ever known
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:29 pm to JudgeHolden
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Solid copy.
my manPosted on 7/27/14 at 11:30 pm to ColdDuck
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So does it piss you off as much as me when a plane crashes and one person lives and they say it was a miracle, even though everyone else is dead?
Absolutely it does
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:30 pm to ColdDuck
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So does it piss you off as much as me when a plane crashes and one person lives and they say it was a miracle, even though everyone else is dead?
Yes.
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