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re: Normandy Church Terror: ISIS Slits Throat of Preist and Takes Nuns Hostage
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:12 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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They can grow up here, seem quite "moderate", nice, and normal then one day drive a truck into a crowd of kids or walk into a Christmas party and start mowing people down with an AR just like that.
this just doesn't happen in America as often enough to justify deporting all Muslims. It's honestly a ridiculous notion and I wish we could move back to discussing things that are based on fact or more realistic. It's not going to happen. Period.
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:19 pm to Salmon
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so this is advocating thought policing
I'm just not ready to give up liberties for "safety"
I am talking about walking, talking, living ISIS members throughout the world. We've partially declared war on ISIS and it's time for the world to come together and once and for all stop letting politics get in the way of eradicating these KNOWN terrorists. You don't wait on the enemy to shoot first in war. There are literally operating cells of ISIS going to the grocery stores in France. They want to put tags on their legs? Really?
You're essentially advocating that we wait until they shoot up a school and hack a few heads off, or pluck out a few eyes, before we engage. Gimme a break.
Enough is enough already.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:27 pm to cas4t
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I am talking about walking, talking, living ISIS members throughout the world.
gotcha, now how do we tell who these people are?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:29 pm to Darth_Vader
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There is no way of telling good ones from terrorists. They can grow up here, seem quite "moderate", nice, and normal then one day drive a truck into a crowd of kids or walk into a Christmas party and start mowing people down with an AR just like that.
I'm sure people thought Micah Johnson was a good american, a soldier that fought for his country. Should we deport all African americans because it turns out one day he wanted to kill whitey?
Not every muslim have those radical views.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:29 pm to cas4t
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this just doesn't happen in America as often enough to justify deporting all Muslims. It's honestly a ridiculous notion and I wish we could move back to discussing things that are based on fact or more realistic. It's not going to happen. Period.
Then going forward, as we start importing them from places like Syria by the tens of thousands per year, we will see two things happen
1. An influx of ISIS fighters "hidden" among the refugees
2. Increased radicalization of our indigenous Muslim population as these ISIS fighters and their supporters spread their ideology of hate and murder.
These two things will (note I say "will" and not "might") lead to increased terrorist attacks here in the US similar to what Europe is experiencing today.
Today it's a catholic priest in Normandy France being beheaded before his congregation in the middle of mass. In the near future it will be a Baptist preacher in rural Louisiana with the knife sliding across his throat in front of a horrified congregation.
A few weeks ago it was French children run down by a truck in Nice during a fireworks show. In the near future it will be American children at a 4th of July show in Baton Rouge being run down.
I ask you this, is the deaths of scores innocent Americans at the hands of Islamic terrorists worth bringing in even one more Muslim "refugee"?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:33 pm to Darth_Vader
I never advocated we continue to allow them in. Quite the opposite. Only that deporting all Muslims from this country is not only not feasible, but it also just isn't. going. to. happen. It's not worth discussing because it will never be on the table.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:35 pm to Darth_Vader
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I ask you this, is the deaths of scores innocent Americans at the hands of Islamic terrorists worth bringing in even one more Muslim "refugee"?
and you're not going to shock and awe me into believing we should fricking deport all Muslims. I too think the religion as a whole is a stain on the human race, and that their views, even in simplest form, are antiquated and barbaric. But we aren't kickin' em out, Darth.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:36 pm to cas4t
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and you're not going to shock and awe me into believing we should fricking deport all Muslims
"if we can save one child"
Darth certainly sounds very "liberal" there, eh?
such as liberal that Darth
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:36 pm to cas4t
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I never advocated we continue to allow them in. Quite the opposite. Only that deporting all Muslims from this country is not only not feasible, but it also just isn't. going. to. happen. It's not worth discussing because it will never be on the table
Sadly you're right. It's not on the table. And short of one of them getting their hands on a nuke and setting it off in the middle of time square, it's not going to be on the table. And that's why the problem is only going to get worse. If you want to see what the US will look like within a few years, just look at Germamy and France the past month. What they're facing now is what's coming our way.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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If you want to see what the US will look like within a few years, just look at Germamy and France the past month. What they're facing now is what's coming our way.
There is quite truly no evidence to support this.
It's really annoying we can't discuss the threat of Islamist movements without one side telling us we're hate mongers and the other totally ignoring statistical realities.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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In the near future it will be a Baptist preacher in rural Louisiana with the knife sliding across his throat in front of a horrified congregation.
If this were to happen.. I can not even imagine the backlash this could have in North Louisiana.. Not to mention other areas of the south. We could see people begin to open carry in Churches and/or target law abiding Muslims...
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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And that's why the problem is only going to get worse. If you want to see what the US will look like within a few years, just look at Germany and France the past month. What they're facing now is what's coming our way.
6 of 8 of the terrorists from last year were French born citizens, not refugees. The problem Europe is facing is not only refugees, but more so a cultural existential crisis. European born Muslims are lashing out, as their cultural nationalism is being denied throughout all of the continent. The US is much more tolerant of Muslims and their traditions.
France is a country that pushes assimilation, more so than most other countries. They generally let the rights or feelings of "the many" outweigh the rights of individuals. However you or I feel about this, is irrelevant. The point is that they feel they've been discriminated against for decades, and now we have ISIS, they see a way to lash back out to a country that they feel has oppressed them.
There's tons of information regarding this subject available online. But point being, the US doesn't do this. For the most part, Muslims have a nice life here.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:53 pm to cas4t
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6 of 8 of the terorists from last year were French born citizens, not refugees. The problem Europe is facing is not only refugees, but more so a cultural existential crisis. Europe born Muslims are lashing out, as their cultural nationalism is being denied throughout all of the continent. The US is much more tolerant of Muslims and their traditions.
I will note that both France and England have been borderline negligent in allowing radicalism to fester over the years. It wasn't that long ago that Abu Hamza was calling for the re-creation of the caliphate on the streets of London.
The populace of France and England have traditionally been more hostile, particularly France IMO.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:54 pm to Pettifogger
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It's really annoying we can't discuss the threat of Islamist movements without one side telling us we're hate mongers and the other totally ignoring statistical realities.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:58 pm to Pettifogger
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I will note that both France and England have been borderline negligent in allowing radicalism to fester over the years. It wasn't that long ago that Abu Hamza was calling for the re-creation of the caliphate on the streets of London.
The populace of France and England have traditionally been more hostile, particularly France IMO
These things aren't even a matter of opinion either. It's fact, and many Muslims throughout Europe express hatred towards their home countries. There have even been documentaries on the subject. (I think Vice did one)
I agree that ISIS can and will utilize open borders to infiltrate other countries, likely including the US. But the notion that we will see attacks, seemingly every other day, in the US is just not supported by facts. Which you've already stated. The fear mongering by darth in his last few posts is borderline ban-worthy IMO.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:07 pm to cas4t
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I agree that ISIS can and will utilize open borders to infiltrate other countries, likely including the US. But the notion that we will see attacks, seemingly every other day, in the US is just not supported by facts. Which you've already stated.
Like I said over and over, just wait a few years after we start bringing them in by the tens of thousands as Hillary has said she wants to do. You even admit that ISIS is going to smuggle in terrorist among them and yet you still refuse to admit the problem we are facing.
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The fear mongering by darth in his last few posts is borderline ban-worthy IMO.
Typical liberal progressive retort. Don't like someone having a different view than your own so you want them shut down. Pathetic.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:07 pm to Salmon
I honestly think that world war three has already begun and our government just doesn't want to admit it.
But to solve it: step one, control it here, by whatever means necessary, be it immigration rules or restriction on their religion's rights. That isn't racist, that is the government's primary function: protect the citizens from harm.
But to solve it: step one, control it here, by whatever means necessary, be it immigration rules or restriction on their religion's rights. That isn't racist, that is the government's primary function: protect the citizens from harm.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:10 pm to cas4t
I'm not downplaying the concept that we're likely to have more attacks: we are.
If I'm Darth, I might even argue that the number and frequency could approach that of Europe at times because we're a singular large target. But we don't have hundreds of thousands of Muslims in major cities, with entire neighborhoods of radicalized populations. We don't have a steady flow of youth traveling to and from Syria (esp with regard to the return trip), and have relatively low numbers of incoming refugees.
We will for sure get hit again. But when that happens, we won't wake up the next day knowing there are tens of thousands of similarly-minded radicals still walking around. That is life in Brussels and Paris and London right now. That's just not the reality here.
If I'm Darth, I might even argue that the number and frequency could approach that of Europe at times because we're a singular large target. But we don't have hundreds of thousands of Muslims in major cities, with entire neighborhoods of radicalized populations. We don't have a steady flow of youth traveling to and from Syria (esp with regard to the return trip), and have relatively low numbers of incoming refugees.
We will for sure get hit again. But when that happens, we won't wake up the next day knowing there are tens of thousands of similarly-minded radicals still walking around. That is life in Brussels and Paris and London right now. That's just not the reality here.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:15 pm to cas4t
But the notion that we will see attacks, seemingly every other day, in the US is just not supported by facts
This statement means almost nothing. That's like saying on Dec 6th, 1941 "The notion that we will be attacked without warning by the empire of Japan is just not supported by facts. It's never happened before and to so state is simply fear mongering."
This statement means almost nothing. That's like saying on Dec 6th, 1941 "The notion that we will be attacked without warning by the empire of Japan is just not supported by facts. It's never happened before and to so state is simply fear mongering."
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:16 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm not downplaying the concept that we're likely to have more attacks: we are.
If I'm Darth, I might even argue that the number and frequency could approach that of Europe at times because we're a singular large target. But we don't have hundreds of thousands of Muslims in major cities, with entire neighborhoods of radicalized populations. We don't have a steady flow of youth traveling to and from Syria (esp with regard to the return trip), and have relatively low numbers of incoming refugees.
We will for sure get hit again. But when that happens, we won't wake up the next day knowing there are tens of thousands of similarly-minded radicals still walking around. That is life in Brussels and Paris and London right now. That's just not the reality here.
It's not the reality here today. But that will change if Hillary gets her way.
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