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re: Normandy Church Terror: ISIS Slits Throat of Preist and Takes Nuns Hostage

Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:19 pm to
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70881 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:19 pm to
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Like I said over and over, just wait a few years after we start bringing them in by the tens of thousands as Hillary has said she wants to do. You even admit that ISIS is going to smuggle in terrorist among them and yet you still refuse to admit the problem we are facing.



I've said numerous times that we should not have an open door policy. I don't know why you keep insisting I am.

My point is that you are wrong that what is going on in France will happen in the US. Statistically speaking, French born Muslims are more susceptible to being radicalized and carrying out an attack than a refugee. This is not opinion. It is quite literally factual. Feel free to look it up.

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Typical liberal progressive retort.


typical unsubstantiated retort from you. I'm voting for Johnson, the only actual conservative in the race.

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Don't like someone having a different view than your own so you want them shut down. Pathetic.


Your opinion is not based on anything concrete. Mine is based on facts. Again, I'll repeat it to you just so we are clear. No, we shouldn't allow 10,000 refugees in the US at the moment. That doesn't mean I believe ISIS would be coming here in droves. But there aren't a lot of Muslims here that can be radicalized, because the US is one the most religious tolerant countries in the world.

Ya know, first amendment, separation of church and state..
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 4:32 pm
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70881 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:22 pm to
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It's not the reality here today. But that will change if Hillary gets her way.



you truly are not grasping any of this. It's astounding. Do you understand the concept of cultural nationalism? Do you understand the differences here, the US, and France when it comes to this? Our country is not going to be overrun by ISIS if Hillary is elected. It doesn't make sense.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70881 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:30 pm to
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This statement means almost nothing. That's like saying on Dec 6th, 1941 "The notion that we will be attacked without warning by the empire of Japan is just not supported by facts. It's never happened before and to so state is simply fear mongering."



I don't feel like repeating myself again and again. You are using a blanket statement across 2 different spectrum to prove a point. It doesn't hold up, because we can actually measure the number of Muslims in Europe, look at policy over the decades that has affected their religious lifestyle, and see why they are so susceptible to being attacked.



Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64373 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:36 pm to
This is pointless at this point. You and the others refuse to see that we face any threat from Muslim terrorists and no amount of debate will change your mind. Sadly, you'll see how wrong you are all too soon when we start seeing more and more attacks here.

I'm done, y'all have fun .
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70881 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:40 pm to
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te last fall, just a few weeks before the coördinated attacks in Paris, a Brookings Institution researcher named Chris Meserole assembled all the data he could find about which countries isis fighters came from, and began to run programs looking for correlations. Much of the scholarship in the evolving field of terror analysis emphasized jihadists’ networks and their psychological profiles, but Meserole and his collaborator, Will McCants, were interested in a separate line of questions. What was the social position of Sunni Muslims in each country that sent jihadis to Syria, and did any aspects of that position seem to correspond with the number they sent? Meserole thought that some new analytics techniques could help cut through the data, and once he applied them he found several correlations. Two were not especially strong or surprising: countries where Sunni Muslims were densely concentrated in cities, and where they had especially high rates of youth unemployment, tended to produce more isis fighters. But the third was striking. The most powerful variable by far in predicting how many jihadis a country would produce was whether the people in that country spoke French.


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In April, 2010, after a high-profile debate, France’s government began enforcing a national law that effectively prohibited Muslim women from wearing the niqab or burqa, which cover the face, in public. In July, 2011, Belgium passed a similar law. (Tunisia, which long had a ban on the veil on the books, had begun enforcing it in 2006.)


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Meserole met with a terrorism researcher named Amarnath Amarasingam, a fellow at Dalhousie University, in Nova Scotia, who had been studying the sixteen people who left Quebec to join the fight in Syria. Amarasingam believed that a high-profile, failed campaign to ban the niqab at citizenship ceremonies in Quebec may have played an important role. Fourteen of the sixteen jihadis had left the province after the bill was debated. In interviewing the fighters’ family members, Amarasingham found that the bill had been a “big catalyst” in their radicalization, he told Meserole. It was at that point, Meserole told me, that “I thought we might actually be on to something.” Spokesmen for isis have sometimes said that the group’s goal in recruitment is to eliminate the “gray area” in which people feel both Muslim and part of the West. Maybe the debates over the veil, Meserole and McCants came to believe, had helped do that for them. (Quebec has not had the same strictly secular tradition, which to Meserole made this an especially interesting case of what happened when political ideas were imported directly from France.)


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Americans, by contrast, may find a kind of national relief in McCants and Meserole’s hypothesis. Compared to “the fashion police of Paris,” we are comfortable with religious diversity and religious expression, and perhaps this is a source of insulation against isis recruitment here. But the real pressure is not on the strength of religious freedom but on the possibility of hyphenated identity—on whether a person feels able to be both Muslim and French, or both Muslim and American. Formal enforcement of secular culture may be the force that works most directly against dual identity, but lower-amplitude advertisements of comfort and hostility, the daily interactions that a person has, matter, too. One common theme in the radicalization stories that foreign fighters told, Meserole said, was feeling ostracized at school for being Muslim.


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read the last sentence that I also underlined. The rhetoric you're spewing about kicking out all Muslims would undoubtedly radicalize more American Muslims.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 4:45 pm
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70881 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:41 pm to
You continue to ignore facts. I don't doubt we see more attacks, but your bullshite fear mongering certainly isn't going to help. And your opinion is not based in reality.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
59433 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 4:45 pm to
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You and the others refuse to see that we face any threat from Muslim terrorists and no amount of debate will change your mind.

That's not the argument at all. It was how to address the threat.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26962 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:00 pm to
Some countries and regions have been isolated in the past?

North Korea
Cuba
East Berlin

What is more appealing or more possible? Closing the borders of a peaceful nation to keep people out, or closing the borders of a war-torn unstable region keeping people IN? A blockade essentially? NATO backed? World wide effort?

I understand that Muslims are everywhere. the ones who are out are already out. When caught jail them or deport them. This is pulled out of my arse, but the solution is going to need to be something radical and unprecedented. Because what we face now is unprecedented.

This is religious persecution unlike ever before. The small fringe of the religion is the persecutor of the masses. And they will travel the globe to kill/persecute.

Would it not be easier to contain a shithole region than to secure the border to all nations? If they walk out, they are turned back, they will not turn, they are forced. They become aggressive they are killed. A plane flies out? It is met by F-16(name your favorite jet)'s and turned back or shot down.

I do not know what it will take to get the world on board and passed rhetoric? I NEVER thought a trip to Europe would be as appealing as a trip to Juarez or Kabul, but that is where it is headed. While we argue over the civil rights of a people that cannot grasp human rights?

Will people die? You're damned right. By the millions, but it is unavoidable. Sunni's, Shiite's, and Kurds need to fight until they are all dead. Only then will the scraps of their culture/religion/ideology come together and decide they can pray to the same God a little differently.
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
10679 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:48 pm to
That's just a sad pussy arse attack. I mean a 100 year old priest you kill, then take some nuns hostage. frick, WHATS NEXT A frickING PRE-SCHOOL WITH A 23yo FEMALE TEACHER? These guys are coward pussy arse bitches. Just makes me sick.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70881 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:50 pm to
I've no idea how he continues to post that we aren't worried about radical Islam. Obviously we are. I've made that clear. My only point was that we are not headed down the Sam path as France, as the 2 countries are vastly different in how we treat Muslims. That's it. Somehow that means I don't think Muslims are a problem. Even though earlier I said "Islam is a stain on the human race".
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
15288 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:50 pm to
And they did a ceremony in Arabic in the church. I'm fuming.
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4866 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:54 pm to
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kinda hard to carpet bomb an ideology


That's why you kill the people that espouse it and their ideology dies with them.

I would start with a MOAB dropped during the haaj when about a million or so are dancing around that black cube like a bunch of wild injuns.
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
10679 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:56 pm to
Wow and someone down voted my post. Didn't know we had Isis members on TD
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
10679 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 5:58 pm to
Just sad the world we live in today. Well gonna watch Bregman and the Strohs again tonight to get away from real world shite. Peace out people
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26962 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 6:57 pm to
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upgrayedd


Exactly.

Like Bill Pullman in Independence Day asking the captured alien what it wanted "us to do?"

"DIIIIIEEEEEE.........."

No reasoning anymore.

As I said earlier. Contain that region. Whatever leaves or tries to leave is stopped or killed.

the ones who got out already are a problem for which I have no answer, but to not contain the region is insane.

What keeps a pissed European country with an Air Force from making a LARGE air strike? They've all been attacked.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 7:11 pm to
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Another point would be the kamikaze pilots and how that compares to suicide bombers.


Sure. But it's not like they were crashing planes into Japanese buildings or into other culturally similar places. ISIS is largely composed of people from muslim countries who are typically bombing other muslim countries.

Brutality? I'll give you that. But Japan is a defined country.. with a military. They're a defined enemy. Terrorists are not.
Posted by flipper70538
Franklin
Member since May 2009
237 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 7:44 pm to
I wish I could up vote one thousand times!!!
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
29990 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 7:52 pm to
Ft Hood
Orlando
San Bernardino


You're right. No way are we headed down the same path as France...



ETA: another homegrown jihadist, San Berdoo
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 7:58 pm
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
2864 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 7:52 pm to
But to solve it: step one, control it here, by whatever means necessary, be it immigration rules or restriction on their religion's rights. That isn't racist, that is the government's primary function: protect the citizens from harm.

Bingo
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