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re: No matter what about (man influenced) climate change, those claiming it are always right.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:58 pm to kingbob
Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:58 pm to kingbob
The computer climate sims are taking a mixture of physics, estimates, guesses and a big dose of unknowns and using that to predict climate. It's a soft science at best and unreliable for certain.
I'll take the hard science of from the world's ice cores. Warm eras in history have been fecund with life. Ice ages bring death.
I'll take the hard science of from the world's ice cores. Warm eras in history have been fecund with life. Ice ages bring death.
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Posted on 8/22/23 at 3:59 pm to Korkstand
Yea but even so the soot would eventually settle and you're back to pre-explosion conditions.
Your argument against carbon dioxide in the air isn't a good one as plants eat carbon dioxide and there is evidence to support hat increased carbon dioxide directly correlates with increased vegetation on Earth.
Your argument against carbon dioxide in the air isn't a good one as plants eat carbon dioxide and there is evidence to support hat increased carbon dioxide directly correlates with increased vegetation on Earth.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:03 pm to Korkstand
Throwing material into the air is blocking the sun, that's decreasing the "input" of heat into Earth, that's not really us changing the climate that's us blocking the sun.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:04 pm to Death Before Disco
There is definitely a ton of truth. I been harping this for years. Before covid. These little booty buddies are trying to suppress anyone that doesn’t fit the mold.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:08 pm to loogaroo
Man knows that it has been much hotter, and much colder on this planet several times before we ever showed up.
That is, we already know the climate can (and will again) change drastically with or without us. Life on this planet changed drastically as a result.
We seem to have lost all sight of what the climate changing actually means for us. What are we trying to accomplish, and how are we going to test if it is even working? Or better yet, how could we ever estimate the impact of natural warming/cooling cycles offsetting the man made impact in measured temperature trends? Do we want it to be hotter or colder?
What we need to do now is produce reliable records of our weather, without any sort of agenda. People hundreds or even more likely thousands of years from now will appreciate it so they can actually have somewhat meaningful trend analysis.
None of that means we shouldn’t be environmentally conscious.
That is, we already know the climate can (and will again) change drastically with or without us. Life on this planet changed drastically as a result.
We seem to have lost all sight of what the climate changing actually means for us. What are we trying to accomplish, and how are we going to test if it is even working? Or better yet, how could we ever estimate the impact of natural warming/cooling cycles offsetting the man made impact in measured temperature trends? Do we want it to be hotter or colder?
What we need to do now is produce reliable records of our weather, without any sort of agenda. People hundreds or even more likely thousands of years from now will appreciate it so they can actually have somewhat meaningful trend analysis.
None of that means we shouldn’t be environmentally conscious.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:08 pm to reddy tiger
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OP has strong opinions about things he doesn’t understand. And apparently assumes everyone who studies the issue is a moron. These are hallmarks of low intelligence. Just another day on TD.
That’s what people would call a pseudo intellectual.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:12 pm to reddy tiger
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OP has strong opinions about things he doesn’t understand. And apparently assumes everyone who studies the issue is a moron. These are hallmarks of low intelligence. Just another day on TD.
I think you just proved his point.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:14 pm to Corinthians420
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If we dropped 50 nukes would you still be sitting here saying 'there's no way us tiny humans could affect the earth' s climate"?
There've been over 2500 nuclear tests/explosions.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:14 pm to OceanMan
So, none of the climate changers are going to address China/India and their impact?
Only the west has to eat the bugs?
Only the west has to eat the bugs?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:15 pm to jyoung1
quote:Yeah soot settles, that's why it would only last a decade. Co2 doesn't settle.
Yea but even so the soot would eventually settle and you're back to pre-explosion conditions.
quote:But not enough to absorb the increase.
Your argument against carbon dioxide in the air isn't a good one as plants eat carbon dioxide to eat and there is evidence to support hat increased carbon dioxide directly correlates with increased vegetation on Earth.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:15 pm to loogaroo
Ask them for an exact measurement for the impact made by humans
They cannot answer
They cannot answer
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:17 pm to Death Before Disco
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"...... couple of breakdowns of the "97% of scientists agree that global warming is caused by humans"
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:18 pm to loogaroo
Sir this is a Wendys.
Petition Chicken to create a political talk board if you want to hear an intelligent discussion. I doubt you'll find that here.
Petition Chicken to create a political talk board if you want to hear an intelligent discussion. I doubt you'll find that here.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:19 pm to jyoung1
quote:If that were done permanently, then that would indeed change the climate. Same as if the sun itself changed its output, climate would change. I don't know what sort of technicality you're angling at here.
Throwing material into the air is blocking the sun, that's decreasing the "input" of heat into Earth, that's not really us changing the climate that's us blocking the sun.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:28 pm to SlidellCajun
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Ask them for an exact measurement for the impact made by humans
They cannot answer
Not an exact measure, but this chart shows the amount of CO2 has rapidly increased since the industrial revolution and the burning of fossil fuels.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:33 pm to Corinthians420
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Hardly, we've modified the atmosphere's composition. That is by definition altering the climate. How do you imagine it could not?
If we dropped 50 nukes would you still be sitting here saying 'there's no way us tiny humans could affect the earth' s climate"?
Well we would be all dead and the earth would continue to exist. That is a more likely apocalypse-type event than your gas stove causing climate change and us all being dead in 5 years because of that.
shite I shouldnt even be able to live where i live rt now, It should be all underwater.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:35 pm to RedHawk
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Not an exact measure, but this chart shows the amount of CO2 has rapidly increased since the industrial revolution and the burning of fossil fuels.
How was our CO2 levels measured prior to the industrial revolution?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:39 pm to RedHawk
How do we know more carbon dioxide isn't better for us?
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:40 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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How was our CO2 levels measured prior to the industrial revolution?
Air trapped in ice bubbles that they can date back to at least 800,000 years ago.
Posted on 8/22/23 at 4:49 pm to Korkstand
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If that were done permanently, then that would indeed change the climate. Same as if the sun itself changed its output, climate would change. I don't know what sort of technicality you're angling at here.
That by throwing material into the air we aren't altering Earth's cyclic climate, we are simply reducing the amount of heat that is introduced to the climate, temporarily.
I.e. We wouldn’t be changing the equation (climate), we would be changing the inputs.
This post was edited on 8/22/23 at 4:57 pm
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