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Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16476 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:24 pm to
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in South LA too large of a unit is worse than too small.


Why is that? Just curious.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48859 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:25 pm to
Who is your HVAC contractor?
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136831 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:26 pm to
Get radiant barrier installed with an extra fan-powered roof vent before they finish. Now it the time to do those upgrades. Also make sure they install enough damn insulation.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45815 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:27 pm to
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Carrier infinity system. Look it up.


10 years ago we installed 2, 21 seer Carrier infinity 3 tons units with spray foam insulation. They cool the house very well.
Posted by ellunchboxo
Gtown
Member since Feb 2009
18806 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:31 pm to
We also have the Carrier Infinity with 3 zones and it kicks arse.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 8:34 pm
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
838 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:49 pm to
Your ceilings are tall but 1 ton per 500 sq/ft is a lot for a new house. That typically would be in line with an older home, did they run the specs from your plans through an estimating program to properly size the unit?
Posted by Joshkdixon
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
79 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:53 pm to
Total Comfort is preferred by builder.
Posted by The Great McGinty
Member since Jan 2017
1384 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

That was another concern, although they have since quoted others...Goodman, Rheem, Tempstar, Amana.


Stay away from Lennox, Goodman, Tempstar, and Mitsubishi minisplit.

Trane is the way to go. Carrier would be the 2nd best option regardless of what kinda “deal” you can get. There is a reason people get good “deals” on Lennox and Goodman units. Those Mitsubishi units are finicky and can be more trouble than they are worth and are notorious for Freon leaks.
Posted by Joshkdixon
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
79 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:55 pm to
I specifically asked owner of hvac company if he did manual J or just used rule of thumb. He said manual J, although I have not seen it myself, nor did I ask to.
Posted by Joshkdixon
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
79 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:56 pm to
Yep. Did that already.
Posted by Libertariantiger
Member since Nov 2012
981 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:12 pm to
I am a building contractor. I had a home I built for myself that had a similar set up. I had 3200 sqft and foam insulation. It had the Lennox 5 ton 16 seer var speed unit with a 2 stage condenser. The 1st story was on one zone and the 2nd on the other. I was there 5 years and the house cooled great. I cant remember what series it was, but it was the high series, maybe signature series? It was compatible with their best thermostat. It never broke, needed service, etc. I paid about the same as 2 of the lower seer/non efficient models. It was more about trusting my HVAC guy and he recommended it for the spray foam house being multi stage and var speed. He ran a J Load and I would def have that done.
If it were me, I'd probably go with 2 units if you have regular insulation set up and 1 unit that has all the bells and whistles if you go spray foam.
Only one complaint on the Lennox, it had a loud clunk when the condenser shut off. They said it is a relief on the fan motor. It was pretty loud and sounded funny. I've worked with Carrier, American Standard, Goodman, and Traine. I would use Lennox again.
Posted by Joshkdixon
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
79 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:18 pm to
Thanks. Good feedback. No foam here. R30 blown in attic and r13 batted in walls. Radiant barrier plywood sheathing for roof. Low-e windows. Primarily brick exterior with some hardi around rear patio.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:18 pm to
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quote:

in South LA too large of a unit is worse than too small.


Why is that? Just curious.

An AC's job isn't really to lower air temperature; Its job is to remove humidity and ventilate the conditioned space. The heat contained in the water vapor in the air is typically the majority of the heat contained in the air, by a LARGE margin. The AC's job is to get rid of this heat by chilling the air so the water condenses out. To do this effectively, it needs to run for a time to allow adequate condensation to occur.

Oversized systems can turn on and very quickly chill the air, causing the thermostat to shut the system back off after only a few minutes. This is called "short cycling". When this happens, the AC does a great job of dehumidifying the air that actually passes through it, but does a bad job of dehumidifying, mixing, and circulating the bulk air in the conditioned space because it just doesn't run long enough to really move enough air through the AC to ensure that the air in the conditioned space is well mixed and dehumidified.

Oversized systems may result in a house with hot spots and cold spots because there isn't adequate mixing and circulation. Houses with grossly oversized AC systems can also exhibit problems normally associated with poor moisture control and poor ventilation, like mold and mildew, due to the inadequate dehumidification because of short cycling.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 9:46 pm
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:23 pm to
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I would not trust any "rule of thumb" he needs a accurate heat load calculation for the house, in South LA too large of a unit is worse than too small.


Agree. If you have too much AC your compressor will not run long enough to dehumidify. There are software programs that can calculate the load based on SF, orientation, windows, insulation, people in house, etc. Your builder should be able to help or others on here.
Posted by Joshkdixon
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2014
79 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:26 pm to
Thanks. Owner of hvac says he did manual J calculation, which I specifically asked him. I trust that he did. I'm leaning towards 2 separate systems.
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8378 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:31 pm to
Google the Lennox class action lawsuit for bad evaporator coils. I just had to replace them on my 3 year old house. Garbage
Posted by Drop4Loss
Birds Eye Of Deaf Valley
Member since Oct 2007
3876 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:32 pm to
Just as a Q on condenser units. They are a compressor, most are now scroll type, and a condensing coil. Basically a simple unit.

How can they all be so different in efficiency ?

Coil types, size, compressor efficiency ?
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:37 pm to
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How can they all be so different in efficiency ?

Motor electrical efficiency
coil geometries
heat transfer equipment material selection
compressor mechanical efficiency
refrigerant efficacy
effectiveness of airflow design

There's a lot that makes a difference. In short, efficiency costs more, so a lot of the difference can be attributed simply to concessions manufacturers have to make in construction and materials to meet customer expectations in terms of price.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25507 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

An AC's job isn't really to lower air temperature; Its job is to remove humidity and ventilate the conditioned space. The heat contained in the water vapor in the air is typically the majority of the heat contained in the air, by a LARGE margin. The AC's job is to get rid of this heat by chilling the air so the water condenses out. To do this effectively, it needs to run for a time to allow adequate condensation to occur. Oversized systems will turn on and very quickly chill the air, causing the thermostat to shut the system back off. This is called "short cycling". When this happens, the AC does a great job of dehumidifying the air that actually passes through it, but does a bad job of dehumidifying, mixing, and circulating the bulk air in the conditioned space because it just doesn't run long enough to really move enough air through the AC to ensure that the air in the conditioned space is well mixed and dehumidified. Oversized systems may result in a house with hot spots and cold spots because there isn't adequate mixing and circulation. Houses with grossly oversized AC systems can also exhibit problems normally associated with poor moisture control and poor ventilation, like mold and mildew, due to the inadequate dehumidification because of short cycling.


this shite right here is why we need a Housing/Real Estate Board.
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56313 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:46 pm to
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Total Comfort
The owners know their stuff. I knew their dad and he worked those boys hard to learn their shite.
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