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re: Moving the BR Zoo
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:29 pm to LSUBoo
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:29 pm to LSUBoo
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the only reason it should go all the way to Southern is for it to connect to the airport. Having the airport/downtown/LSU all connected wouldn't be a bad thing.
probably, but i'd bet most people that fly from out of state for LSU related things, fly into New Orleans and rent a car b/c they want to hang out on Bourbon street instead of Tigerland.
I think the tram is a waste of money all around.
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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the tram they are proposing between downtown and LSU, should also go all the way to Southern?
Well, I think it should eventually go to Southern and to the airport. I think it should eventually extend to Tigerland, and then out to LaBerge. I think a new zoo, if it's built, should be along that route.
Wouldn't it be wise to have a tram connect the two major universities, downtown, the airport, the zoo, most of the hotels, 2 of the 3 main strips of bars, and the casinos (plus, i'm sure a shuttle could be offered to take riders to the new Kids museum)
Said Tram should also connect to a train station that ties into the BR/NOLA commuter rail with stops by the hospitals, Blue Bayou, Gonzales, LaPlace, MSY, Zephyr, and the NOLA CBD. Perhaps this would be an east/west line on North Blvd or Government Street that would end up connecting downtown to the train station, BRCC, and Independance Park.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
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People from Baton Rouge would rather drive an hour and a half to the Audubon zoo as opposed to 20 minutes to the baton rouge zoo, and they pay more than double to get in as well. If you're not going to make a zoo that will make your local residents stop going to New Orleans as often, then what's the point of having one at all?
Hammer meet nail. Like I said, a zoo is a destination place, you go because its something unique and you go no matter where it is.
The BR zoo will never match the NO zoo. I should be geared to meet our needs, and not something to compete with Audubon.
People drive a hour and a half to NO and don't go to the one here that's 30 minutes away because the Audubon is much, much better.
I can't see spending 110 million dollars trying to compete with NO.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:43 pm to doubleb
People often opt to go to the BR Zoo because it's cheaper and closer, but for people in LP and AP, it's not that much closer. Also, it has limited classroom space, so it can only schedule one school group at a time. Moving the zoo 20 minutes closer to those schools while adding more classroom spaces and getting their elephants back would make it much more competitive for attracting field trips and day trippers.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:54 pm to kingbob
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People often opt to go to the BR Zoo because it's cheaper and closer, but for people in LP and AP, it's not that much closer.
Is there a plan for AP and LP to chip in if it is moved to the Parish line?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:55 pm to kingbob
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Wouldn't it be wise to have a tram connect the two major universities, downtown, the airport, the zoo, most of the hotels, 2 of the 3 main strips of bars, and the casinos (plus, i'm sure a shuttle could be offered to take riders to the new Kids museum)
First off, Southern isn't a major university. They don't bring in masses of out of towners on a regular basis.
Secondly, no one takes a vacation to Baton Rouge. When people do come to Baton Rouge for a sporting event, they normally fly into New Orleans. Baton Rouge night life or thigns to do will never compete with an international city like New Orleans.
The only people that use the BR airport are business people that go to Houston or Dallas often. Just like the zoo, the BR airport isnt' that much closer than MSY for those on the east side of the parish and Ascension.
I think the tram idea is a waste of money, but I would not oppose one that eventually connects LSU with New Orleans. Money doesnt' need to be wasted to go any further north than downtown.
You make it to where people in New Orleans can get on a train and go to Blue Bayou or a zoo, then go to an LSU baseball or basketball (assuming they get good) game, that would be nice. And i'm sure it would be jam packed for football games.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 3:55 pm to lsu13lsu
No, but they'll start spending more money at the zoo...you know...the point of moving it...jackass
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:00 pm to kingbob
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No, but they'll start spending more money at the zoo...you know...the point of moving it...jackass
Spending less money because taxpayers subsidize it. Meaning, NBR people should subsidize AP's and LP's cheaper zoo prices.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
Well, if the rumors are correct and BTR gets Southwest, demand will rise. Having a tram systen for BR to mirror NOLA's streetcars with a rail system connecting the two so that all of BR and NOLA's attractions are connected without needing a car just makes sense.
The rub is that it will never be economical, but we can dream, can't we?
The rub is that it will never be economical, but we can dream, can't we?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:02 pm to lsu13lsu
No, BR taxpayers invest in moving the zoo, attracting more customers, resulting in more money for BR taxpayers. If you had a failing business model that would become profitable by moving it closer to your customer base, wouldn't it be worthwhile to do so?
Moving the zoo would likely make it a net money-maker rather than a taxpayer expense.
Moving the zoo would likely make it a net money-maker rather than a taxpayer expense.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:04 pm to kingbob
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Well, if the rumors are correct and BTR gets Southwest, demand will rise. Having a tram systen for BR to mirror NOLA's streetcars with a rail system connecting the two so that all of BR and NOLA's attractions are connected without needing a car just makes sense.
I read that Southwest was considering BTR....but American is the one setting up a nonstop to Washington DC.
IMO the airport would do better if it were situated on I-12 between Walker and Denham. The Zoo should be in or around City Park.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:06 pm to kingbob
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People often opt to go to the BR Zoo because it's cheaper and closer, but for people in LP and AP, it's not that much closer. Also, it has limited classroom space, so it can only schedule one school group at a time. Moving the zoo 20 minutes closer to those schools while adding more classroom spaces and getting their elephants back would make it much more competitive for attracting field trips and day trippers.
Well if they often opt to the BR zoo as it is now, why are we thinking of moving it?
Add a few classrooms if they need space. There's plenty of room for that.
And if you move the zoo 20 minutes closer to SBR schools aren't you moving it 20 minutes away from NBR, Baker, Zachary, and Central schools?
You're not making since now, are you saying schools north of Florida Blvd. don't need to visit the zoo while SBR schools and Ascension and Iberville kids do?
We are talking 110 million dollars here now. Think about that. It costs approx. 350 million to widen I-10 from the split to the bridge. 110 million is 31% of that.
I realize we are talking apples and oranges here, but that's the kind of discussion our leaders should be having. What do we need the most? A new zoo or a better I-10?
This same logic applies to dredging the Lakes, the Tram down Nicholson, a Loop, a new prison, a new bridge, and passenger service to NO. We have people tell us we need so many large projects, but no one stands up and says we must do this first because we only have enough money for one thing and its the most important.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:06 pm to kingbob
Of course this thread turns into a monorail thread.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:06 pm to member12
I've heard rumors of Southwest direct to LAX and Denver, but it could be all smoke.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:07 pm to kingbob
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I've heard rumors of Southwest direct to LAX and Denver, but it could be all smoke.
I had heard Southwest was a year away. I didn't hear anything about LAX though. I heard Dallas, Orlando and Chicago. They want two gates.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:09 pm to doubleb
The difference is that moving it 20 minutes further from Zachary means that it's still only 25 minutes away whule the Audubon Zoo is 1.5 hours from them.
Moving the zoo 20 minutes closer to AP, means the zoo is less than 30 minutes from them, while the Audubon is over an hour. It puts the zoo at no more than 30 minutes drive time from all of the groups that currently patronize it.
Moving the zoo 20 minutes closer to AP, means the zoo is less than 30 minutes from them, while the Audubon is over an hour. It puts the zoo at no more than 30 minutes drive time from all of the groups that currently patronize it.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:10 pm to kingbob
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No, but they'll start spending more money at the zoo...you know...the point of moving it...jackass
Do you think zoos turn a profit? They do not, they are very fortunate to come close to breaking even. They depend on donations and taxes more than ticket sales.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:12 pm to kingbob
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If you had a failing business model that would become profitable by moving it closer to your customer base
Zoos are not making profits. They are a failing business plan.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:15 pm to kingbob
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Moving the zoo would likely make it a net money-maker rather than a taxpayer expense.
This zoo will not be a net-money maker. If Zoos were net-money makers then governments wouldn't be doing it. Private businesses would be doing it.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 4:18 pm to lsu13lsu
Zoos have to be licensed by the federal government. There are huge barriers to entry. Licenses are typically only granted to municipalities and non profit groups.
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