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re: More details coming out about USS Fitzgerald collision (with a pic of the inside damage)
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:16 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:16 am to GetCocky11
quote:clear the cache and come back to this thread Einstein
Now yall are just screwing with me.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:17 am to GetCocky11
Ok, now it shows up in the OP.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:18 am to SSpaniel
quote:he changed the source
Ok, now it shows up in the OP.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:18 am to GetCocky11
That did not explain anything.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:18 am to CAD703X
quote:
clear the cache and come back to this thread Einstein
No need to be an a-hole considering that I've been posting threads with images on this website for years now with no issues.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:18 am to GetCocky11
Looks like a busted up aluminum window panel
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:18 am to GetCocky11
quote:
What happened?
The owner of this website (news.usni.org) does not allow hotlinking to that resource (/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/unnamed-3.jpg).
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:19 am to GetCocky11
quote:wow that's amazing
No need to be an a-hole considering that I've been posting threads with images on this website for years now.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:19 am to GetCocky11
OK, the folks aboard the cargo ship were asleep at the wheel, literally.
What about the folks aboard the Fitz? Not only should there have been people on watch, but there should also have been some kind of radar or other electronic surveillance, shouldn't there?
Someone had to know a VERY LARGE vessel was approaching. Someone should have been aware and given an order to change course. I would think the Fitzgerald would be a lot more maneuverable than that freaking cargo ship.
This is just bizarre.
What about the folks aboard the Fitz? Not only should there have been people on watch, but there should also have been some kind of radar or other electronic surveillance, shouldn't there?
Someone had to know a VERY LARGE vessel was approaching. Someone should have been aware and given an order to change course. I would think the Fitzgerald would be a lot more maneuverable than that freaking cargo ship.
This is just bizarre.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:20 am to GetCocky11
quote:
with a pic of the inside damage
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:21 am to GetCocky11
quote:so pretty much like in crimson tide
I couldn't imagine being the officer who gave the order to seal those sailors in the flooded area.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:23 am to mtntiger
quote:
This is just bizarre.
I was deployed on ship for 6 months. The radar system captures every ship from hundreds of miles out. There's no way they missed a giant cargo ship.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:24 am to mtntiger
quote:
Someone had to know a VERY LARGE vessel was approaching
And no collision alert or general quarters alarm was sounded. This is beyond understandable. This is dereliction of duty that led to seven deaths.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:29 am to jimmy the leg
Capt. Benson probably wishes there had been eight at this point.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:14 am to jimmy the leg
I happened to be at a party a couple of days after this event with several licensed ocean going Captains and a couple of retired Navy officers discussing this incident.
I can't recount everything they said because much of it was technical in nature but the overwhelming consensus was exactly what y'all are saying. WTF? How could this happen?
There are multiple systems in place to prevent something like this. I even learned that the lowly VHF radio that every baw has on their center console continuously transmits GPS data that larger ships systems receive and plot collision avoidance. If a 20' center console has an avoidance system, how did this happen to a Navy Destroyer?
I can't recount everything they said because much of it was technical in nature but the overwhelming consensus was exactly what y'all are saying. WTF? How could this happen?
There are multiple systems in place to prevent something like this. I even learned that the lowly VHF radio that every baw has on their center console continuously transmits GPS data that larger ships systems receive and plot collision avoidance. If a 20' center console has an avoidance system, how did this happen to a Navy Destroyer?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:27 am to GetCocky11
It would/should have been very, very, clear to at least 10 people on the Fitzgerald that a large ship was approaching at a zero bearing rate. Even a lookout could have caught seeing both the port and starboard running lights simultaneously in time to act.
In other news, I'm betting there's at least 20 parodies of this song being developed on ships and submarines throughout the fleet at the moment....
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
In other news, I'm betting there's at least 20 parodies of this song being developed on ships and submarines throughout the fleet at the moment....
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:28 am to jbgleason
quote:
how did this happen to a Navy Destroyer?
Exactly, and that's what the investigation will hopefully reveal. The destroyer would have all of the bridge crew that should have seen the giant arse container ship on their instruments. There are lookouts that are putting eyes on the ocean that should have seen it. The ship's combat information center should have been lit the frick up about the looming threat to the destroyer and been screaming at the bridge.
It's just unfathomable that the whole system just broke down and nobody acted in enough time to get that destroyer off its collision course.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:33 am to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
It's just unfathomable that the whole system just broke down and nobody acted in enough time to get that destroyer off its collision course.
Hypothetical: It's so unfathomable that even though they saw it, they didn't "see" it. The lookouts didn't expect to see a big arse ship bearing down on them so they didn't. The watchstanders figured the alarms were malfunctions so they turned them off, etc. Systems break down, and the more complex the system, the more catastrophic the breakdown.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:34 am to TigerstuckinMS
On another note, the Captain went to bed in his stateroom as a Navy Officer at the pinnacle of his career commanding the world's finest floating warship. Woke up outside the skin of the ship with a critical head injury and no job. His arse is getting fired no matter who fricked up.
Or as one of the retired Navy Officers told me. "He won't be fired in the sense it is used in the private sector. It is just that he is going to be put in command of the Navy Recruiting Center in Lawton, OK with two enlisted guys who previously did something equally as egregious."
Really blows for the Captain.
Or as one of the retired Navy Officers told me. "He won't be fired in the sense it is used in the private sector. It is just that he is going to be put in command of the Navy Recruiting Center in Lawton, OK with two enlisted guys who previously did something equally as egregious."
Really blows for the Captain.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:49 am to GetCocky11
quote:
I couldn't imagine being the officer who gave the order to seal those sailors in the flooded area.
No different than sending brave young men out on a mission you know they have little chance of surviving. Commanding young men in those situations is not for the faint of heart.
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