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Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:50 pm to GetCocky11
The article says the Crystal returned at 18 knots. I wonder how long it took them to realize they were in a collision. Immediately, I'd assume, but it still to an hour for them to slow down and reverse course back to the Fitzgerald. Crazy.
I think I read in a previous article that normal cruising speed was 12.4 knots. At that speed, they would cover 100 yards in less than 15 seconds. How well lit is a merchant vessel, beyond navigation lights? I guess a warship might be running blacked out under certain training scenarios, but how does a 650' or 700' container carrier sneak up on a DDG?
I think I read in a previous article that normal cruising speed was 12.4 knots. At that speed, they would cover 100 yards in less than 15 seconds. How well lit is a merchant vessel, beyond navigation lights? I guess a warship might be running blacked out under certain training scenarios, but how does a 650' or 700' container carrier sneak up on a DDG?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:59 pm to GetCocky11
If it's grey, stay out of the way.
Lol wtf
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It’s yet unclear if the ship’s watch had time to sound the collision alarm or call general quarters before Crystal hit the destroyer
Lol wtf
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:06 pm to White Roach
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I think I read in a previous article that normal cruising speed was 12.4 knots
Sea speed on a containership should be a good bit more than 12.4 knots.
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How well lit is a merchant vessel, beyond navigation lights?
Maybe some deck lights but it's mostly just the running lights.
Unless it's limited visibility, it's pretty hard not to see a 700' ship in the ocean at night. The lights are unmistakable.
Judging from the collision damage, they should have been able to see masthead lights and red running light. It was coming from the starboard quarter so maybe no one on the bridge decided to look out of the back windows.
Either way, every officer on that navy ship that was on the bridge should be put behind a desk on land
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:14 pm to GetCocky11
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I couldn't imagine being the officer who gave the order to seal those sailors in the flooded area.
from what I have heard it was the FC1 that died that made the call...I've heard he got as many younger sailors out as possible and then shut the hatch knowing what the consequences of that call were...he was a salty old frick...on his twilight tour...fixing to retire from what I understand. It was his second or third time aboard Fitz.....that was HIS ship....
all the folks on watch...in Combat, on the bridge, on aft lookout, etc...need to stand before some brass and get asked some serious fricking questions...
I toured on an FFG, CG, and DD...and there is no way this should have or could have happened without extreme dereliction of duty and negligence.
this shite kind of has me tore up...those were shipmates.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:23 pm to GetCocky11
Asian drivers. Amiright?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:29 pm to SthGADawg
I gotta assume there was something going on that distracted them, some type of party, entertainment, etc. I mean they knew where that ship was 100s of miles out.
Did the ship ever change course? Maybe they knew where it was and then it changed course 5 minutes before it hit them or something? I don't know how that works, but I'd think that any ship within 1-2 miles would be warned by a military vessel to stay a certain distance away?
Did the ship ever change course? Maybe they knew where it was and then it changed course 5 minutes before it hit them or something? I don't know how that works, but I'd think that any ship within 1-2 miles would be warned by a military vessel to stay a certain distance away?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:34 pm to Jones
In full visibility at night you can see ships a long way off, it's been a long time since I've looked off the bridge of a submarine - but clearly seeing the port/starboard running lights, mastheads and getting a reasonable "angle of the bow" reading several thousand yards out is not unreasonable.
From the bridge of a destroyer, which is higher off the water than the bridge of a submarine, I don't think 10k yards is out of the question for being able to get a good handle of the on visual alone with little to no traffic .... let alone on instruments.
I am curious if there was a lot of traffic in the area, I doubt it if they are saying the container ship was on autopilot - but there are ***load of ships pulling in and out of Tokyo Wan. We pulled in there a few times, it was actually quite hectic.
From the bridge of a destroyer, which is higher off the water than the bridge of a submarine, I don't think 10k yards is out of the question for being able to get a good handle of the on visual alone with little to no traffic .... let alone on instruments.
I am curious if there was a lot of traffic in the area, I doubt it if they are saying the container ship was on autopilot - but there are ***load of ships pulling in and out of Tokyo Wan. We pulled in there a few times, it was actually quite hectic.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:46 pm to BRIllini07
Ship to ship on a clear night you can see another ship with binoculars 10 miles away easily.
I could see the guys on the containership sleeping. If so, that makes the collision with the navy ship even worse for the navy guys on watch
I could see the guys on the containership sleeping. If so, that makes the collision with the navy ship even worse for the navy guys on watch
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:49 pm to GetCocky11
Maybe a dumb question, but how can a US "Destroyer" allow itself to be rammed by another ship that is nonresponsive? (assuming we tried to communicate as they approached).
You'd think the destroyer would have disabled the oncoming vessel.
You'd think the destroyer would have disabled the oncoming vessel.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:04 pm to GetCocky11
Pretty ironic that the ship's motto is "Protect your people"
Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:29 pm to BRIllini07
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In full visibility at night you can see ships a long way off, it's been a long time since I've looked off the bridge of a submarine - but clearly seeing the port/starboard running lights, mastheads and getting a reasonable "angle of the bow" reading several thousand yards out is not unreasonable.
From the bridge of a destroyer, which is higher off the water than the bridge of a submarine, I don't think 10k yards is out of the question for being able to get a good handle of the on visual alone with little to no traffic .... let alone on instruments.
I am curious if there was a lot of traffic in the area, I doubt it if they are saying the container ship was on autopilot - but there are ***load of ships pulling in and out of Tokyo Wan. We pulled in there a few times, it was actually quite hectic.
Surface radar should have tracked and alerted the Bridge to the container ship's path and distance. The damage almost looks like they T-boned the destroyer.
If the captain was in his quarters at the time, you know that there was no collision alarm sounded...
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:56 pm to GetCocky11
How does a war ship that was engineered and constructed to defend itself against the most sophisticated weapons known to mankind, allow itself to be broadsided by an 800 foot freighter ? Something is very wrong here !!!
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:04 pm to jbgleason
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. If a 20' center console has an avoidance system, how did this happen to a Navy Destroyer?
It's obvious they were trying some new time travel technology and just happened to reappear immediately in front of the container ship
..........as crazy as that scenario sounds, I still can't imagine a logical explanation with that many people and that much technology on board the two vessels involved.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:22 pm to tigers win2
Completely crazy with some serious arse negligence.
With the information coming out, it looks like the first time anybody was aware of a potential problem was when they got hit.
The captain was in his cabin and he had to have had standing orders to be alerted when a ship entered a radius further out than "up our arse".
With the information coming out, it looks like the first time anybody was aware of a potential problem was when they got hit.
The captain was in his cabin and he had to have had standing orders to be alerted when a ship entered a radius further out than "up our arse".
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:26 pm to Walking the Earth
I feel like they must of been going to parallel to each other or something so the Navy crew knew about it, then the autopilot of the freighter changed course into the destroyer and the destroyer crew was partying or something. I mean even on the slowest of days, there have to be 5-6 people on the bridge right? That's what I don't understand there had to have been multiple people steering and working on radar.
It's pretty insane this happened.
It's pretty insane this happened.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:29 pm to baldona
Agreed.
Maybe the Fitzgerald crossed the Crystal's bow some kind of way, but I'd think the damage would be worse if a container ship rammed a destroyer broadside at 15 knots or so. (What speed does a merchant vessel that size typically cruise? The article said they "raced" back to the collision site at 18 knots.) Couldn't damage similar to the pics be done if the Crystal overtook the Fitz from starboard at a shallow angle, say 10 or 15 degrees?
Maybe the Fitzgerald crossed the Crystal's bow some kind of way, but I'd think the damage would be worse if a container ship rammed a destroyer broadside at 15 knots or so. (What speed does a merchant vessel that size typically cruise? The article said they "raced" back to the collision site at 18 knots.) Couldn't damage similar to the pics be done if the Crystal overtook the Fitz from starboard at a shallow angle, say 10 or 15 degrees?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:51 pm to LanierSpots
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No US Destroyer should ever let a fricking cargo ship run into it. Total fail by the people in command.
No way this should have been allowed to happen.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:57 pm to White Roach
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15 knots or so. (What speed does a merchant vessel that size typically cruise? The article said they "raced" back to the collision site at 18 knots.)
Containerships are generally the fastest. 20 knots is common for a containership on sea speed.
Fwiw, the article is filled with some flashy language
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:39 pm to Jones
CO, XO, CMC all relieved of command.
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