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re: Mom sues to stop Bible study classes in West Virginia schools
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:44 am to tduecen
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:44 am to tduecen
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most parents I know don't reveal that the Easter Bunny is fake until 10-14 years old
If your 14 year old still believes in the Easter Bunny, surprise, you're raising a retard.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 12:46 am
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:47 am to Purple Spoon
I'm assuming your reply was posted to mine simply because it was the last post before yours as it has nothing to do with the content of my post.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:22 am to northshorebamaman
Completely disagree... you would be surprised how many students that age believe in things such as Santa and the Easter Bunny...
Why ruin innocence because you believe one thing the general public doesn't?
Why ruin innocence because you believe one thing the general public doesn't?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:28 am to tduecen
I would be surprised. I have a 12 year old and a 15 year old and both of them figured out that nonsense before they were 8.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:31 am to northshorebamaman
quote:I teach 12 year olds so you would be surprised how many still believe... Why ruin innocence before you should? Other than trying to promote your beliefs upon your children?
I would be surprised. I have a 12 year old and a 15 year old and both of them figured out that nonsense before they were 8.
I'm an atheist, I do not believe in God, but I can see how it keeps people in line and provides a moral background for people. I am all for it as long as it is not pushed upon people and this being a voluntary program I have no issue with.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:33 am to tduecen
Don't get me wrong, I didn't tell them. I'd prefer them to believe. It's more fun.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:38 am to northshorebamaman
I guess that is my point, what is the harm in them believing in something?
Who cares if it is Santa, the Easter Bunny, or God... when they are old enough (14-16) then have a talk with them on your beliefs and let them decide for themselves what they choose.
Forcing our beliefs on kids is wrong imo
Who cares if it is Santa, the Easter Bunny, or God... when they are old enough (14-16) then have a talk with them on your beliefs and let them decide for themselves what they choose.
Forcing our beliefs on kids is wrong imo
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:46 am to tduecen
I'm with you, I'm an agnostic myself, but religion is a bit bigger than Santa or the Easter Bunny.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:52 am to northshorebamaman
quote:Disagree from a child standpoint, as an adult sure but children have no idea. At the ages of 2-14 they believe God is always watching and that their moves will indicate where they will end up at. Usually leads to more well behaved children and then the parents should discuss with them religion.
but religion is a bit bigger than Santa or the Easter Bunny.
Nothing more that I hate as a teacher is someone who is 6-10 who scream, "Santa isn't real" when I have 25 other students who believe in Santa. That is horrible for those students and kids should believe in what is not unbelievable until they reach an age to understand it.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:05 am to slackster
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This country was founded on a ton of beliefs that protect the minority.
It was also founded upon God & religion.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:23 am to tduecen
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Forcing our beliefs on kids is wrong imo
Shitty parents do it all the time. Why not give these kids a fighting chance?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:31 am to lsusteve1
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Going to these things do not hurt children
False. Forcing kids to abandon reason and logic is very harmful.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:52 am to LSUTANGERINE
I guess the parents, preachers, and churches in that community just can't get their religious message through to the kids.
So they want a taxpayer funded bureaucrat to teach their kids about religion.
Sad admission of failure on their part.
So they want a taxpayer funded bureaucrat to teach their kids about religion.
Sad admission of failure on their part.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:53 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Why should a public school tout one religion over the other?
What about Muslim baws who are Americans first?
Hard for me to see how people don't realize religion should ever be involved in something the government has a hand in.
What about Muslim baws who are Americans first?
Hard for me to see how people don't realize religion should ever be involved in something the government has a hand in.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:27 pm to LSUTANGERINE
If they're voluntary, that's ridiculous. This is someone who gives me as an atheist a bad name, and honestly, I feel like these things shouldn't bother her.
I was firmly against Creationism being taught in Science classes in public schools. That's not a scientific theory, and it does not have any reason to be taught in a state or federally funded school's Science courses.
However, that is because it's not a scientific theory. If someone wants to have a voluntary class or prayer service, that is their right in a country with freedom of religion and expression. As an atheist, I respect and defend that right because I have the right to my own beliefs or lack thereof.
In these cases, I think it's less someone being an atheist and more a case of someone who likes attention, drama, or just being pissed off. If she's afraid of ostracism for her daughter, she's going about it entirely the wrong way. It's fine for her daughter not to attend, but as long as she respects and supports differing beliefs, she'll be fine. I have friends of every religion who know that I have their back, and they're the first people to defend me when someone attacks me for my views.
I was firmly against Creationism being taught in Science classes in public schools. That's not a scientific theory, and it does not have any reason to be taught in a state or federally funded school's Science courses.
However, that is because it's not a scientific theory. If someone wants to have a voluntary class or prayer service, that is their right in a country with freedom of religion and expression. As an atheist, I respect and defend that right because I have the right to my own beliefs or lack thereof.
In these cases, I think it's less someone being an atheist and more a case of someone who likes attention, drama, or just being pissed off. If she's afraid of ostracism for her daughter, she's going about it entirely the wrong way. It's fine for her daughter not to attend, but as long as she respects and supports differing beliefs, she'll be fine. I have friends of every religion who know that I have their back, and they're the first people to defend me when someone attacks me for my views.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:33 pm to King Teal
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Hard for me to see how people don't realize religion should ever be involved in something the government has a hand in.
I think allowing someone the right to use the building for a group to meet is alright. As long as everyone, including Satanists or atheists can also form a voluntary group, it hurts no one.
I don't believe that a voluntary group or class is any different than Chess Clubs, Computer Club, or anything else as long is it not taught as fact in any setting other than this voluntary weekly setting.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:53 pm to Dijkstra
Anyone aware of this was ACTUALLY being taught during instruction time. Here in parts of Texas, clubs happen during the lunch hour, and I was just curious if this could be the same situation.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:58 pm to tigerfan0082
I mean, if it's an actual class with grading and whatnot, get that shite out of there. I just interpreted it as a club. I don't want religion anywhere near legislation, education, etc. But a club outside of the time where classes are being taught is in no way an issue to me.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:01 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Mom sues to stop Bible study classes in West Virginia
Because they are voluntary, frick MOM!!!
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:16 pm to LSUGrrrl
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The church has never taught the earth is flat. Never. That's an extremely common error that is misquoted frequently. It's ok to not believe in Christianity but don't laugh at ignorance by quoting ignorance.
What is "the church" that you are referring to?
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