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Military dudes. A question? Regarding air strikes.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/1/14 at 11:33 am
Watching YouTube vids this morning of Apache vs. Insurgents variety. What is the range of the 30mm(?) guns? And then of course the missles.
Reason I ask, if you are up to no good. Digging a hole in a road or creeping around the sand and rubble, and you hear a helicopter? Do you not stop or scatter. The Blackhawks that fly over us in Katy are loud as frick and make a distinct sound. And this is in a large city with highway noise etc? I am guessing there is a constant drone of helicopter noise and they just don't notice?
Help a civilian puss understand.
Edited to make title more specific.
Reason I ask, if you are up to no good. Digging a hole in a road or creeping around the sand and rubble, and you hear a helicopter? Do you not stop or scatter. The Blackhawks that fly over us in Katy are loud as frick and make a distinct sound. And this is in a large city with highway noise etc? I am guessing there is a constant drone of helicopter noise and they just don't notice?
Help a civilian puss understand.
Edited to make title more specific.
This post was edited on 11/1/14 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 11/1/14 at 11:40 am to LSU alum wannabe
a few thousand meters, not like something you would see in a movie or a video game. When I was in Iraq they would fly pretty high above our convoys. And they are also fairly quiet.
This post was edited on 11/1/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/1/14 at 11:46 am to LSU alum wannabe
Some of the videos are interesting because at some point it becomes obvious that the fighters hear the imminent missle/gunfire and scatter, but by then it's too late.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 11:47 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Apache
M230 Chain Gun
Max range: 4500m Max eff. range: 1500m
ROF: 625rpm
Hellfire AGM-114
Operational Range: 546 yards - 5 miles
Hydra 70 rockets
Max range: 10500m Max eff. range: 8000m
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and you hear a helicopter? Do you not stop or scatter.
The pilots don't typically acquire their own targets - they stay low and come over the horizon to deliver ordnance quickly.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 11:48 am to LSU alum wannabe
What you probably saw was an AC-130. Those bitches can be miles away.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:11 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Appropriate emoticon:
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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M230 Chain Gun
Max range: 4500m Max eff. range: 1500m
I don't know a lot about this weapon, but it seems 30mm would be overkill for anti personal use. Those have a charge? If so, what's the effective area? Just curious.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It may be overkill at times but do you really want your attack helicopter flying around with a 30 caliber. My hmmwv got lit up by a hellfire from a Kiowa when I was about 200 meters from it awesome site I must say.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Those have a charge? If so, what's the effective area? Just curious.
The lethal radius against unprotected, standing targets is about 10 ft (3.0 m) under optimum conditions.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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The pilots don't typically acquire their own targets - they stay low and come over the horizon to deliver ordnance quickly.
interesting...do ground troops acquire targets for them or what?...
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:43 pm to Ace Midnight
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Those have a charge? If so, what's the effective area? Just curious.
The lethal radius against unprotected, standing targets is about 10 ft (3.0 m) under optimum conditions.
Thanks..
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:46 pm to Spankum
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:48 pm to Spankum
In my experience that's generally what we did,when we had air support they were not just out flying around they would touch off when one we came into contact or two we wanted them to initiate contact on said target.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 12:55 pm to Ace Midnight
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The pilots don't typically acquire their own targets - they stay low and come over the horizon to deliver ordnance quickly.
That was the doctrine in Europe, but a lot of videos in Iraq and AFG show the pilots observing the targets for several minutes before firing. Sometimes up to 5-10 minutes. Either the apaches are super quiet now, or the insurgents don't give a single frick that they're about to get blown up.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 1:02 pm to Jim Rockford
they are pretty quiet and at night hard to tell the direction, with that infared what would the insurgents do anyway? Either sit still or run. 
Posted on 11/1/14 at 5:41 pm to gmrkr5
JTAC's are airforce and generally control Fixed wing aircraft. Apache's and/or Kiowa's (AWT and SWT) can be controlled by any competent Army personnel. just need a little AGI (Air/Ground Integration) training.
This post was edited on 11/1/14 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 11/1/14 at 8:01 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Watching YouTube vids this morning of Apache vs. Insurgents variety.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that does this. I can waste hours watching those videos.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 8:47 pm to LSU alum wannabe
The 130 gunship can just sit up there, wait for targets to get called in, then dump 1 round in every square yard in a football sized target area in less than a minute...
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Posted on 11/1/14 at 8:51 pm to LSU alum wannabe
25 B-52s. Across Iraq, Afg., Iran. Make them a parking lot. Then prohibit any more Muslims to enter the U S
Posted on 11/2/14 at 10:34 am to IceTiger
What type of round?
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