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Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:28 pm to fr33manator
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Medieval folk, they had a hunger, Drank a lot of beer, Gas Man says, they ate the younger, When their heads weren't clear.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:28 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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would need to see the research to believe that. You have to try to eat that many calories a day. Even in caloric dense food
Not when you’re working hard. When i played college football I ate 8-10k calories a day
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:28 pm to athenslife101
I dunno if I buy that. Maybe....?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:32 pm to Powerman
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He's 6'4" and training for the olympics That's a lot different than an average dude doing farm work all day
And he wasn’t training 12 hours per day.
Chopping wood burns 500cal per hour
Do that for 12 hours and that’s 6000 cal. You burn another 2000 just being alive so now you’re at 8000 which is between 7-9k
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:36 pm to Robin Masters
No idea what the calories per day were, but I do know it took a huge amount of food to supply the crews building the transcontinental railroad. Which was all manual labor at that time. No steam shovels or track laying machines.
eta-Hell, I worked a summer on a section crew for a shortline railroad back in the 80s and we did everything by hand and I at like a horse and never gained weight. Got pretty damn powerful though.
A lot of those "skinny" farmers are a lot stronger than they look for the same reason.
eta-Hell, I worked a summer on a section crew for a shortline railroad back in the 80s and we did everything by hand and I at like a horse and never gained weight. Got pretty damn powerful though.
A lot of those "skinny" farmers are a lot stronger than they look for the same reason.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:39 pm to BuckyCheese
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idea what the calories per day were, but I do know it took a huge amount of food to supply the crews building the transcontinental railroad. Which was all manual labor at that time. No steam shovels or track laying machines.
Food is just fuel. You can’t run a battalion of tanks without diesel and people won’t work long without calories.
Not sure why people are having such a hard time with this. Seems like basic logic and a little math.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:42 pm to Robin Masters
quote:That makes me more convinced that the op is ridiculous. No one was chopping wood at full intensity for 12 hours. That's one of the highest calorie burning tasks that a midieval farmer would regularly engage in, and, we still have to create a scenario where the average farmer is doing nothing but that, for 12 hours straight, every single day, to even approach that number.
Chopping wood burns 500cal per hour
Do that for 12 hours and that’s 6000 cal.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:53 pm to northshorebamaman
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That makes me more convinced that the op is ridiculous.
It may be high for the average farmer but it’s not ridiculous at all.
Also keeps in mind they may have been cold as shite at night which burns even more calories.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:54 pm to athenslife101
Did you learn that in CIVICS today?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:59 pm to Robin Masters
quote:Have you tried googling this? I've been down a rabbit hole on this for the past hour, and while there isn't a consensus, the vast majority of info I've found is between 2k-5k calories, with the majority of estimates under 3k. The highest outlier I've found was 6k. Stanford claims 2900. Do we even know where the op got this number?
It may be high for the average farmer but it’s not ridiculous at all.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:05 pm to athenslife101
Maybe they wouldn’t have to farm so hard if they didn’t eat so damn much.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:06 pm to northshorebamaman
I’ve just looked at calories burned doing hard work and it seems 300-600 per hour is about average.
If you work 12-15 hours per day + 2000 cal required to just be alive. Then you’re at 7000-9000 pretty easily.
I would imagine this wasn’t every day of the week but maybe at certain times of the year.
Hard to imagine this level of output considering how easy we have it today.
If you work 12-15 hours per day + 2000 cal required to just be alive. Then you’re at 7000-9000 pretty easily.
I would imagine this wasn’t every day of the week but maybe at certain times of the year.
Hard to imagine this level of output considering how easy we have it today.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:08 pm to athenslife101
Their food wasn’t processed like our garbage food chain. And also, they burned alot of them calories
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:10 pm to northshorebamaman
And add the logic problem: if you need to burn 5 or 6k extra calories for no other reason than to provide yourself with an additional 5-6k calories, at some point, an equilibrium will be met. People as a whole won't continue to work harder than they have to for no other reason than to provide the extra calories they need just to do extra work.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:11 pm to upgrade
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Maybe they wouldn’t have to farm so hard if they didn’t eat so damn much.
exactly. it doesn't make sense.Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:11 pm to northshorebamaman
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And add the logic problem: if you need to burn 5 or 6k extra calories for no other reason than to provide yourself with an additional 5-6k calories, at some point, an equilibrium will be met. People as a whole won't continue to work harder than they have to for no other reason than to provide the extra calories they need just to do extra work.
Have to pay that royal tithe though.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:18 pm to Robin Masters
quote:It might be hard for us to imagine but there are still people in this world living essentially the same existence today and I would be just as shocked to learn that the average rural Chinese, North Korean,or Central African Rebublic farmer even has access to 9k calories a day, much less averages consuming that many.
Hard to imagine this level of output considering how easy we have it today.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:19 pm to northshorebamaman
One, I did find that one source that said
Two, I originally heard this from Matthew Lewis. Who is a historian whose day job is interviewing archeologists and cohost is a bio archeologist. Again, maybe his amount is too high. He wasn’t writing a paper for review. But I think the point still it’s did jf they’re eating 4k-5k calories
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Michel Rouche, on the other hand, asserted that the typical Carolingian-including the peasants-had access to a monotonous, but abundant, supply of foodstuffs and may have consumed an average of 6,000-9,000 calories per day.
Two, I originally heard this from Matthew Lewis. Who is a historian whose day job is interviewing archeologists and cohost is a bio archeologist. Again, maybe his amount is too high. He wasn’t writing a paper for review. But I think the point still it’s did jf they’re eating 4k-5k calories
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:21 pm to northshorebamaman
A lot of people in this thread don’t seem to understand just how much food 7-9k calories really is. Nobody is doubting that they worked hard or needed lots of fuel, or that they didn’t eat a carb heavy diet. To add a little perspective a Big Mac is roughly considered pretty unhealthy and it’s around 560 calories. You’re telling me the average person in medieval Europe is eating the equivalent of 16 Big Macs per day?! I’m sorry but that’s hard to believe. When I was pouring concrete for a summer job in high school and going to summer works outs for football I was eating around 5-6k calories per day I’d guess. And that was me eating about every chance I got. There comes a point to where if you are actually working that hard you don’t have enough time in the day to eat that much.
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