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re: Marine and Soldier recover U. S. Flag Disrespectfully Displayed

Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:44 am to
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:44 am to
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Yes it does. That is why the list of names of locals who died in war were read aloud at hometown football games or Veterans are given honors, because society places them above everyday citizens.



Wow. Just, wow.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:46 am to
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Being a military member or a veteran doesn't make you more patriotic than anyone else


Yes it does.



Posted by SmellslikeKevinBacon
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:46 am to
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Look like a couple of roided up jarhead assholes to me
Posted by Buddy Garrity
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:48 am to
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Azranod
you're an idiot
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:48 am to
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They also thought it was okay to own slaves and prohibit women from voting.

Come on, Azranod.


Women were allowed to vote if they owned property(at least 50 acres of land). White men who didn't own property or were illeterate couldn't vote.
AND the only people allowed by law to own a slave for the lifetime of a slave(at the time) was a black person. White people had to free their slaves after a set number of years.

NOW, come on SabiDojo, don't be another dumbass.

ETA: their not there
This post was edited on 4/2/14 at 11:52 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:51 am to
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Being a military member or a veteran doesn't make you more patriotic than anyone else


And I agree with this - to a point and with a caveat. I was already a pretty patriotic MFer when I signed up - but after over a quarter of a century (over half my life - effectively all of my adult life) of service, I recognize that we, collectively (and there are exceptions, of course), who have served/are serving are probably overprotective of the flag.

Therefore, if, for some reason, the Klan got approval to protest in Harlem - and ended up getting their lily white asses kicked, a few of them hospitalized and a couple killed - that wouldn't make the response "right" - I mean, freedom of expression is what it is - and the rule of law as well, but people would largely understand, yet disapprove of the spontaneous expression of community discontent with the Klan demonstration, and there would be more than a little support for the notion "They were asking for it."

With the same token, if you ride an inverted flag past veterans, or burn a flag in front of an American Legion or VFW post - and get your hippie, American-hating, commie arse whipped - there will be similar community understanding of the violent, unlawful actions taken against your person.

You ever wonder why people describe victims of crime like this, "Minding his own business, just walking down the street..." and that this, seemingly, has more emotional impact and generates more sympathy for the victim, than in the OP's example or my Klan analogy?
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:51 am to




Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:54 am to
Context can be a mitigating factor, but it doesn't excuse the action. We choose to live in a civilized society where you are free to disagree. Our country is stronger when there is free thinking. If people cannot express themselves for fear of a mob, whether they be private or the government, the entire being of our country is undermined.

Remember, democracy serves to protect the minority from the majority.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:56 am to
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Context can be a mitigating factor, but it doesn't excuse the action.


I thought my post was completely on point with this.

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We choose to live in a civilized society where you are free to disagree. Our country is stronger when there is free thinking. If people cannot express themselves for fear of a mob, whether they be private or the government, the entire being of our country is undermined.


I think we're in general agreement.

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Remember, democracy serves to protect the minority from the majority.


I'm worried about this sentiment with regards to political correctness - but, again, I agree in principle.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 11:57 am to
My post wasn't necessarily in disagreement.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:09 pm to
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AND the only people allowed by law to own a slave for the lifetime of a slave(at the time) was a black person. White people had to free their slaves after a set number of years.


That part isn't true. Not even under the code noir.

Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 4/2/14 at 12:26 pm to
I looked it up and I was off in my time of when that law was changed. I thought it was 1790, not even close.
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