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re: Man stabs a group of young people as they assault him for looking for his phone in river
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:22 pm to Rebel
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:22 pm to Rebel
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The 2 brothers are beating him while their disemboweled friend kept trying to force his head under water.
That doesn't appear that way to me. It was way less serious than I expected from the OP. I can understand why the guy may have been scared, and it certainly *may* rise to the standard, but...
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What more has to happen before you think he has a right to defend himself?
You have a right to defend yourself, its whether you can reasonably use lethal force that can result in death or great bodily harm in that instance.
In Wisconsin under the law that I am looking at...it seems very borderline at best.
I could see this one going either way. Its nowhere near as clear as you all want it to be.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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I didn't see his life being in danger
You didn’t see yellow shorts guy trying to shove his head under the water? I’m not a doctor, but most people can’t breathe under water.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:24 pm to CAD703X
quote:you’re knighting an immigrant who started an altercation, pulled out a knife, and stabbed a woman
but those morons in this thread keep defending these teenage pieces of shite. FAFO indeed
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:24 pm to Byrdybyrd05
The worst people you can put together as a group are teenagers especially in an environment that lacks proper adult supervision. I don't care what color they are, what social class they come from. You can take relatively decent kids (teenagers) and if you put them with a group of friends in the wrong environment they are going to be idiots.
frick em. If they want to play around with a grown man then anything that comes their way they deserve. I feel bad for the family and the guy who has to live with that for the rest of his life, but frick those idiots.
frick em. If they want to play around with a grown man then anything that comes their way they deserve. I feel bad for the family and the guy who has to live with that for the rest of his life, but frick those idiots.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:25 pm to Rebel
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You didn’t see yellow shorts guy trying to shove his head under the water?
Nope. I have watched it 3 times and I don't see it. He pushes him, then pushes him again which is when he got stabbed.
Look these kids are punks and I'm perfectly fine with this dude getting nothing. frick those punks.
However, from the video and what I am seeing on WI law... its way more borderline.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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I could see this one going either way. Its nowhere near as clear as you all want it to be.
I’ve watched 5 days of the trial and have seen every single state witness change their story. Some of them multiple times.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:26 pm to Rebel
That's great, I hope he gets off.
I'm only going off the video
I'm only going off the video
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:27 pm to Fun Bunch
The guy had been under water once.
You didn’t see yellow shorts guy pushing down on his back and neck while he was prone on the river bed?
You didn’t see yellow shorts guy pushing down on his back and neck while he was prone on the river bed?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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he wasn't in his swelling or MV or place of business.
He doesn't have to be in his dwelling or in his car. He can still defend himself in Wisconsin. He's got to prove he reasonable feared death or great bodily harm though
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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It looks like he easily could have walked away, there wasn't like 5 guys just all pummeling him on the ground.
Erm, I’m pretty sure one guy pushing you into the water while another punches you in the face is plenty reason to fight for your life bro.
I agree he had a few opportunities to de-escalate (and clearly so did that merry band of idiots), but eating knuckle sandwiches with your head half-submerged isn’t one of them.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:29 pm to Dadren
quote:he easily could have walked away. instead he pulled a knife.
Erm, I’m pretty sure one guy pushing you into the water while another punches you in the face is plenty reason to fight for your life bro.
is wisconsin a stand your ground state?
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Wisconsin does not have a stand your ground law. Stand your ground laws in other states generally allow for a person to claim self-defense without first needing to retreat when outside their home or business. Wisconsin also does not have an affirmative duty to retreat.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:30 pm to jchamil
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He's got to prove he reasonable feared death or great bodily harm though
No, that's not how it works.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:31 pm to Dadren
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Erm, I’m pretty sure one guy pushing you into the water while another punches you in the face is plenty reason to fight for your life bro.
I agree he had a few opportunities to de-escalate (and clearly so did that merry band of idiots), but eating knuckle sandwiches with your head half-submerged isn’t one of them.
Problem probably deescalates without incident had there been less alcohol consumed.
Just an observation.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:32 pm to Dadren
Anyone from the Midwest that makes fun of the “rednecks” in the south need to keep quiet.
There are some straight up white trash mofos along Wisconsin/Minnesota border.
There are some straight up white trash mofos along Wisconsin/Minnesota border.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:33 pm to jchamil
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He's got to prove he reasonable feared death or great bodily harm
Seems as that speaks for itself. He doesn’t get attacked then nobody gets cut.
He was not the aggressor. FAFO
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:34 pm to jizzle6609
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Problem probably deescalates without incident had there been less alcohol consumed.
Situation went from 20 to 100 when the white trash brothers, their women, and dad got involved.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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No, that's not how it works.
State of Wisconsin brings charges that they have to prove.
Defendant brings up an affirmative defense that he has to prove.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:41 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Not guilty
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:41 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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is wisconsin a stand your ground state?
Does it have to be? I’m not a lawyer so maybe you’re right, but there’s a solid-non-zero chance that he hits his head on some rocks or goes to sleep after getting punched and drowns. The force that was being used against him could have been lethal and at that point was unprovoked.
IDK man, sad situation all around. I don’t think any verdict would surprise me.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:42 pm to Dadren
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Erm, I’m pretty sure one guy pushing you into the water while another punches you in the face is plenty reason to fight for your life bro.
Man, I am just seeing a different video than you guys
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