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re: Man stabs a group of young people as they assault him for looking for his phone in river
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:51 pm to Fun Bunch
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Man, I am just seeing a different video than you guys
First link in the OP?
Go to 1:50. You’ll see dark shorts (black, blue, can’t tell) pull him down from the side, dark shorts gets up and either throws a hook or an open hand as Mui tries to get out of the water (his head was out of the water so I wasn’t right about that), then yellow shorts comes over the top and tries to push him back down into the water. It’s either there or after that when yellow shorts gets stabbed.
It’s quick and the phone is shaking all over but I’ve watched it a couple of times and that appears to be the sequence of events.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:53 pm to jchamil
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He doesn't have to be in his dwelling or in his car.
I was specifically referring about duty to retreat in Wisconsin
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He can still defend himself in Wisconsin. He's got to prove he reasonable feared death or great bodily harm though
I posted the statute, I am aware.
I think that is questionable
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:55 pm to jchamil
Police and DA brought charges on both groups testimony after the stabbings.
The video contradicted just about everyone’s statements to the police.
I agree the old man didn’t do himself any favors afterwards. He should have called 911 and self reported immediately afterwards.
It’s a horrible situation where a 17 year old kid lost his life.
2 things escalated the event.
The high school kids yelling “pedo”
The white trash bros injecting themselves into the matter.
My opinion based on what I’ve seen of the trial, is the guy may be guilty or something. But it isn’t 1st degree murder.
The video contradicted just about everyone’s statements to the police.
I agree the old man didn’t do himself any favors afterwards. He should have called 911 and self reported immediately afterwards.
It’s a horrible situation where a 17 year old kid lost his life.
2 things escalated the event.
The high school kids yelling “pedo”
The white trash bros injecting themselves into the matter.
My opinion based on what I’ve seen of the trial, is the guy may be guilty or something. But it isn’t 1st degree murder.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:55 pm to Fun Bunch
It amazes me how dumb these young kids and some of the younger posters are. Easy not guilty. Hope it works out for him.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:57 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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you’re knighting an immigrant who started an altercation, pulled out a knife, and stabbed a woman
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:57 pm to Dadren
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First link in the OP?
Yes. I think its much more borderline to meet the standard of imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.
I'm totally fine with him getting off, but I can see both sides. This one is much more questionable than you all want it to be.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 3:59 pm to Big Bill
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It amazes me how dumb these young kids and some of the younger posters are. Easy not guilty. Hope it works out for him.
Not a young kid, am a Lawyer.
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Easy not guilty
I don't see this one is easy at all, under WI law.
I have not seen a single second of testimony, however, or any other evidence.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Not guilty simply because that stupid kid kept saying I got it on video, I got it on video. Then same kid made up lie that stabber said he wanted to take pictures of kids. Camera dude is the instigator and should have his arse beat.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:09 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm totally fine with him getting off, but I can see both sides. This one is much more questionable than you all want it to be.
I’ve said a couple times I can see it both ways, I agree that it’s not clear cut, this is why they’re having a trial.
I just think the idea that he should try to retreat while he’s getting shoved into the water and punched is unreasonable. Before that, there’s no “threat” to retreat from, right? He was just standing in the middle of a bunch of people who were trash talking.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:12 pm to Dadren
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Before that, there’s no “threat” to retreat from, right? He was just standing in the middle of a bunch of people who were trash talking.
then why did he brandish his knife before the point of physical contact? Granted the time from him holding the weapon to them enacting physical violence on him is pretty damn short and i dont think he could realistically retreated. but he didnt even seem to be wanting to.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:18 pm to Rebel
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There are some straight up white trash mofos along Wisconsin/Minnesota border.
Yep.
I despise them.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:21 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes. I think its much more borderline to meet the standard of imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.
Where was he supposed to retreat?
He was surrounded by a pack of braying hyenas.
Turn your back on those assholes and you get attacked.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:23 pm to caro81
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then why did he brandish his knife before the point of physical contact?
Because he felt threatened by a number of individuals. Rightfully so as they did in fact attack him.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:26 pm to Saunson69
Why the frick are you melting so hard? 
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:26 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:33 pm to Rebel
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I’ve watched 5 days of the trial and have seen every single state witness
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:34 pm to caro81
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then why did he brandish his knife before the point of physical contact? Granted the time from him holding the weapon to them enacting physical violence on him is pretty damn short and i dont think he could realistically retreated. but he didnt even seem to be wanting to.
That’s a fair counter, he did perceive a threat prior to getting hit. But like you said, it was within seconds.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:54 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes. I think its much more borderline to meet the standard of imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.
I'm totally fine with him getting off, but I can see both sides. This one is much more questionable than you all want it to be.
You don't think a 58 year old, out of shape, man being pushed into the water, hit in the face, and choked by a bunch of 17-18 year olds - a couple of whom were football players - all while being surrounded by other shrieking harpies wouldn't make him think he was in imminent threat of death or great bodily harm? The fact he didn't swinging the knife sooner is incredible to me. He had it in his hand but didn't stab anyone until he started being attacked. If he just wanted to stab a bunch of people why did he wait until he was being attacked?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:59 pm to caro81
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then why did he brandish his knife before the point of physical contact?
He didn't brandish his knife. The State even said in their opening statement said that he did not brandish his knife and that is somehow evidence of him having ill intent.
If he did brandish it in an effort to get the people to stop surrounding him and get out of his face that would've been evidence against him too.
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i dont think he could realistically retreated. but he didnt even seem to be wanting to.
Where was he going to retreat to? He walked backwards, away from the group, but his group was up river from there. He started walking back towards his group and the screaming harpies came up to him and tried to force him away. Even if he didn't retreat at all he has no legal requirement to do so. Wisconsin is a soft stand your ground state and there is no legal requirement to retreat but a jury can make inferences about you not retreating. Whereas a state like Florida is a hard stand your ground state and there is no legal requirement to retreat AND a jury cannot consider that you didn't attempt to retreat at all.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:07 pm to Byrdybyrd05
If a group of people come at you, your life is in danger. He should walk.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 5:10 pm
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