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re: Lean Six Sigma - Anyone Tried This?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:08 am to FearTheFish
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:08 am to FearTheFish
I earned my Green Belt.
Waste of time tbh.
ETA:
Other than as a resume builder. My company paid for it though.
Waste of time tbh.
ETA:
Other than as a resume builder. My company paid for it though.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:10 am to southernelite
Sounds like I got some bad info then.
Still sucks.
Still sucks.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:21 am to FearTheFish
lean > six sigma
Lean = find waste (usually time/waiting)
Six Sigma = avoid defects (quality)
most companies will benefit from the lean
Lean = find waste (usually time/waiting)
Six Sigma = avoid defects (quality)
most companies will benefit from the lean
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:29 am to Mossive
quote:
lean > six sigma
Lean = find waste (usually time/waiting)
Six Sigma = avoid defects (quality)
most companies will benefit from the lean
I'll agree with this.
Finding "waste" is a mindset too. I think that is more the goal of the program, at least internally at my company. They want everyone to always be looking for ways to increase efficiency.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:33 am to FearTheFish
I have a black belt in it. It's very valuable if used correctly. The problem is always in getting management to make sure actions are carrried to completion. Actions get bastardized to become more bureaucratic
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:34 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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GE pioneered it. GE doesn't use it anymore. Think about that.
Same for Caterpillar. Six Sigma looked to be taking on Cult-like status for about 2-3 years. They even started an entire department dedicated to nothing but Six Sigma. Now the only remnants left of Six Sigma are a few fading black or green belt certificates gathering dust over on the corner of a few people's desks.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:45 am to FearTheFish
What field was the project in? Can you see the application of the principles taught as transferable across various different fields? Or, as notiger1997 suggested, is the application pretty much based in manufacturing?
The project was a continuous manufacturing process, but just like any quality improvement tool, it can be applied to other processes.
Sounds like it's more about evaluating and refining processes than management. You can have the best process in the world, but if you don't know how to management, you're back to square 1 of having an inefficient system. [/quote]
This is why top management needs to fully understand and support the DMAIC process, otherwise you will just be spinning your wheels, and no one will be happy with the outcome. Most people want to jump right into the measurement step of the process, but my instructors made it clear that the define step should be rigorously implemented for the process to be successful.
The project was a continuous manufacturing process, but just like any quality improvement tool, it can be applied to other processes.
Sounds like it's more about evaluating and refining processes than management. You can have the best process in the world, but if you don't know how to management, you're back to square 1 of having an inefficient system. [/quote]
This is why top management needs to fully understand and support the DMAIC process, otherwise you will just be spinning your wheels, and no one will be happy with the outcome. Most people want to jump right into the measurement step of the process, but my instructors made it clear that the define step should be rigorously implemented for the process to be successful.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:47 am to FearTheFish
I'm green belt certified. It helps you eliminate waste but it seems that nobody seems to use it after a while.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:50 am to LSUtoBOOT
LSUtoBOOT - thank you for the analysis; that explains a lot.
Couldn't agree with this more, although this I feel like this was taught early on in business courses. You have to define what your goal is - otherwise, just like you said, you're spinning your wheels and getting nowhere.
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the define step should be rigorously implemented for the process to be successful
Couldn't agree with this more, although this I feel like this was taught early on in business courses. You have to define what your goal is - otherwise, just like you said, you're spinning your wheels and getting nowhere.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:59 am to FearTheFish
Only some large corporations and Six Sigma-certified folks care anything about Six Sigma.
It used to carry some weight, but its time has passed.
It used to carry some weight, but its time has passed.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:03 am to FearTheFish
It is not a valuable use of your time.
It will not help you eliminate waste; it will help you document how you eliminated waste.
It will not help you eliminate waste; it will help you document how you eliminated waste.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:09 am to PrivatePublic
I work for GE. It was Jack Welch's staple.
Lean manufacturing focuses on the 8 deadly sins of waste, and six sigma focuses on the six kazien princples.
Everything we do falls underneath Lean Six Sigma, and they are both great tools. We do less of six sigma now though, fewer black belts.
Lean manufacturing focuses on the 8 deadly sins of waste, and six sigma focuses on the six kazien princples.
Everything we do falls underneath Lean Six Sigma, and they are both great tools. We do less of six sigma now though, fewer black belts.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:23 am to FearTheFish
Whether it is actually useful or not in the day to day world depends on the impelemtation but having six sigma training, black belt and kaizen projects on your resume opens doors. I have seen the people with these credentials be saved several times when it comes time for layoffs or for promotions. It can be useful in the manufacturing world but a lot of black belts can manipulate any data they want to show the results they want to achieve.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:25 am to FearTheFish
There are certain situations where LSS is quite effective, but in most cases just knowing how to build a "good enough" process will work fine.
Especially if you're a small nonmanufacturing firm I wouldn't waste the time on it. If you're a Fortune 500 manufacturer selling millions of widgets that must be of uniform quality, then yes you should care.
Especially if you're a small nonmanufacturing firm I wouldn't waste the time on it. If you're a Fortune 500 manufacturer selling millions of widgets that must be of uniform quality, then yes you should care.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:50 pm to FearTheFish
Statistical Process Control and Lean Manufacturing concepts only work best if you are all-in. If your company half-asses them then they will waste more time, effort and money than you can ever recoup.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:11 pm to FearTheFish
I put together a Board of Directors for a 501c3 years ago. One of the people I chose was a disciple, guru, and Pope of the LEAN six sigma. Made his living off it for a while. He was as worthless as tits on a boar in any situation that was not discussing the merits of said program.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:27 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I work at GE Digital, and when I first joined, everyone was required go to the training class, pass the exam, and get certified.
I took the class and passed the exam, and before we could identify and work on a certification project, they removed the requirement. I still tried to identify a project, but couldn't find any sponsors to help me at that point.
Would've like to have finished it up since I was 2/3 there.
I took the class and passed the exam, and before we could identify and work on a certification project, they removed the requirement. I still tried to identify a project, but couldn't find any sponsors to help me at that point.
Would've like to have finished it up since I was 2/3 there.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:42 pm to FearTheFish
Go read a few books on it, and save yourself the $$. Certifications from any non-name brand entity in that sort of thing doesn't hold very much weight.
I work in Business Management Consulting, seems like 1 out of every 5 people have some sort of belt these days...
Edit: for reference, I have a black belt from CAT with projects producing $1m+ in financial benefit to the dealership I worked for.
I work in Business Management Consulting, seems like 1 out of every 5 people have some sort of belt these days...
Edit: for reference, I have a black belt from CAT with projects producing $1m+ in financial benefit to the dealership I worked for.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:13 pm to FearTheFish
I have a black belt and the cert has done 0.0% for me so far. Some of the knowledge and some of the tools you learn, however, are helpful and I think anyone can benefit from it. But you could learn that on your own.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:20 pm to Darth_Vader
What Caterpillar does, and what your dealer is currently doing with it are not necessarily congruent.
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