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re: Landrieu says there will be a 30 day delay in removing PGT Beauregard Monument

Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:50 pm to
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They basically did with the 30 day delay. If there was no problem, then no delay.
So you are still saying the city admitted they dont own the statue. Interesting, considering this is what they just said in their actual letter

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"The City maintains its position, which has been affirmed by the Courts, that it owns the PGT Beauregard statue and property which the statue sits on. The letter from the City Attorney, which was also signed by City Park Improvement Association clearly states that both sides agreed to engage in discussions over the next 30 days regarding any land ownership questions that the City Park Improvement Association has going forward. However, as the letter confirms, the City Park Improvement Association acknowledges that the City can and will move forward with removal of the monument.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
47474 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:51 pm to
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They just fricking admitted it


They did not. You are making an assumption which is incorrect.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:51 pm to
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You all want to bring shite up that was not before the court. I'm anti-removal like most in the city.

Given the pleadings, exhibits and argument before the court, Reese had to deny the restraining order.

He's a good judge and well prepared.

When you guys get a license to practice law, let me know. Your opinion would change on Reese's ruling.

Thank you. They have no clue what the case was even about
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32899 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:51 pm to
Interesting. So why is there a 30 day delay again?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:51 pm to
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It says the city will have negotiations to see which side actually owns the statue.


So then it's not clear the city has authority to do this.

Which is why you grant TROs. Not because one side is right, but to figure out what side is right.

How bad must this be for the city, after all the time, to suddenly admit this?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:52 pm to
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So why is there a 30 day delay again?
CAN YOU NOT READ?

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"The City maintains its position, which has been affirmed by the Courts, that it owns the PGT Beauregard statue and property which the statue sits on. The letter from the City Attorney, which was also signed by City Park Improvement Association clearly states that both sides agreed to engage in discussions over the next 30 days regarding any land ownership questions that the City Park Improvement Association has going forward. However, as the letter confirms, the City Park Improvement Association acknowledges that the City can and will move forward with removal of the monument.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:53 pm to
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So then it's not clear the city has authority to do this.

Which is why you grant TROs. Not because one side is right, but to figure out what side is right.

How bad must this be for the city, after all the time, to suddenly admit this?
READ

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"The City maintains its position, which has been affirmed by the Courts, that it owns the PGT Beauregard statue and property which the statue sits on. The letter from the City Attorney, which was also signed by City Park Improvement Association clearly states that both sides agreed to engage in discussions over the next 30 days regarding any land ownership questions that the City Park Improvement Association has going forward. However, as the letter confirms, the City Park Improvement Association acknowledges that the City can and will move forward with removal of the monument.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
47474 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:53 pm to
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Given the pleadings, exhibits and argument before the court, Reese had to deny the restraining order.



This is correct. People let their opinions override reasonableness and how things work.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:58 pm to
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lsupride87


You getting mad. You clerk for him or something?

The city is saying they think they have authority, but someone else is also saying they have authority, so, they are gonna get together and figure it out.

Clearly, it's not that clear. If CPIA claims were bogus, the city would say so and move on. The fact that the city is engaging CPIA here tells me that there is a chance, just a chance, there might be an issue here.

Not a guarantee. The city may be 100 percent correct. But obviously, there is something the city must be concerned about.

I'll give the Landrieu admin credit for taking this step. It will help to ensure the legitimacy of all of this.

As for the judge, again, he didn't actually rule the city was right... he ruled this has gone on long enough, and the plaintiff didn't prove his case.

So... then... master attorneys... what the hell transpired between Wed and Friday?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:00 pm to
Nothing at all has changed....

Posted by pennypacker3
Charleston
Member since Aug 2014
2742 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:04 pm to
Outside of the legal stuff...what is the city trying to accomplish with this removal shite. They must be aiming to divide and create hatred. Offended is the new stupid!
ETA look forward for your answer...want find it in the past.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32899 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:04 pm to
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Not a guarantee. The city may be 100 percent correct. But obviously, there is something the city must be concerned about.


Rubbish according to Prideboy. 30 day grace period must have been decided on a whim. Maybe PGTB will come down tonight since there's no legal issue at hand re: ownership.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 5:05 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:09 pm to
There is absolutely nothing that has changed legally. I am sorry you and Houston can't comprehend that
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14948 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:11 pm to
Whenever they get to Lee Circle that's going to cost a pretty penny.
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32899 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:11 pm to
Are you a lawyer?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:16 pm to
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There is absolutely nothing that has changed legally. I am sorry you and Houston can't comprehend that


what does that even mean, nothing has changed legally.

The city has said all along they had the authority to do this. Landrieu has essentially mocked his opponents about this. Now all of a sudden, they are admitting that they "might" be a problem.

There might not be a problem. This issue may get resolved shortly and the teardown can continue.

Or this could turn into litigation.

In any event... the correct course of action here given the "possibility" of a problem is to issue the TRO and figure out out. Essentially, the city has bailed out Judge Reese here.

For you to say anything else is completely ignorant.

Edit: In case I'm not clear enough. I'm not saying city park / monumental task force is in any way correct. But they have raised enough questions that this should not have been so quickly dismissed by the judge. We've waited a year and a half here, what's another month? That's my issue with the judge.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 5:18 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:17 pm to
They have yet to say in anyway there might be a problem. Why can't you understand this?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:21 pm to
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They have yet to say in anyway there might be a problem. Why can't you understand this?


Are you unable to read and comprehend?
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According to a letter from New Orleans City Attorney Rebecca H. Dietz, The New Orleans City Park Improvement Association has asserted legal rights in the property which the monument is situated.


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“Though the City does not agree with NOCPIA’s assertion, it recognizes NOCPIA’s authority to own, manage, and maintain park property and wishes to resolve the competing claims to the Property and any issues arising therefrom in an amicable and expeditious manner.”


I would certainly think the possibility of competing claims means there is the possibility of a problem.
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They have yet to say in anyway there might be a problem.


Given the above, your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Just admit you jumped the gun here, and move on. My personal feeling is that the city has full rights and ownership. But, again, why not just make sure everything is correct?


Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28360 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:23 pm to
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What if the City Park Assoc does prove in the future that they do own the statue? Could you imagine that shitstorm?


This will get interesting, the city will threaten them if they want to keep it up, and City Park members like myself will likely threaten to withdraw support if they tear them down.

Maybe, just maybe this gives Landrieu some cover if he has come to his senses just to drop the whole damn thing. If City Park refuses to let it go, then he's no longer on the hook.
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32899 posts
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:23 pm to
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An Orleans Parish Civil District Court judge ruled Wednesday that the city of New Orleans owns all of City Park and can move forward with the removal of the P.G.T. Beauregard monument.

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The ruling came days after a pro-Confederate monument group held a news conference to announce that it believed the board that governs City Park, and not the city, owns the monument at the entrance of the park.

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Reese denied the injunction, which would have stopped the removal of the monument until it was determined who owned the monument. He said a previous state Supreme Court case on Audubon Park also determined that the city owns all of City Park.

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So why the 30 day delay?


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