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Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:12 am to GetCocky11
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Of course I know that is why DC Statehood or DC full representation hasn't happened (at least in my cynical view) . I'm not stupid. But it is still a horrible reason when discussing why it should or should not happen.
I've considered it and ultimately came down on the side of DC remaining a federal district. It is kind of a shame that people more directly governed by Congress than any state resident don't have a voting representative, but you're not going to be able to get around the politics of their three votes being very squarely in one party. On one level I'm glad that many are at least honest about it. On another it once again sheds light on how much most people really care about "rights" when it either doesn't affect them or they figure it may negatively impact what they perceive to be their interests.
For the record most people in DC don't care that much. It's just the way it's always been and plenty DC money does a lot more to influence Congress than typical voters.
Maybe some compromise can be reached whereby for the purposes of representation they're apportioned between Virginia and Maryland, but still governed by Congress and the City.
It's kind of a non-issue, though.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:12 am to Cosmo
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Of course a liberal would want it, it gives them 2 guaranteed Senate seats and an extra House seat.
Of course a conservative wouldn't want it for purely political reasons.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:13 am to weagle99
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I mainly don't want people whose subsidence is dependent on the government to have an equal say in how that government spends money. I would prefer if the votes of people who pay into the federal tax system (not federal employees) count more than people who don't pay.
Wtf?
Don't you know that there are a ton of federal workers (including DC federal workers) and people who live in areas dependent on federal investment who live all over the country and get full representation, etc.?
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 11:13 am
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:14 am to weagle99
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I mainly don't want people whose subsidence is dependent on the government to have any say in how that government spends money
fify
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:14 am to weagle99
quote:and also there is a BIG difference between DC the city, with it's citizens and business owners and all that.
I mainly don't want people whose subsidence is dependent on the government to have an equal say in how that government spends money.
And DC the nations capital, home to lobbyists, the elite, etc.
When the offices clear out and it's Friday night, DC is like any other American city.
Very few of these Washington fatcats actually live in DC
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:15 am to Navytiger74
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It's kind of a non-issue, though.
Yeah, I'm not passionate about the issue at all. Just wanted to bring it up since I saw it on John Oliver. There has been some good discussion though. These types of threads bring out the best of the OT.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:15 am to Displaced
The only real issue is that republicans want to disenfranchise blacks there. Politics as usual.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:15 am to GetCocky11
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Because over 650,000 have no real representation in the legislature?
I never really considered DC and statehood. I guess because it just has always been as it is, it's a city but has its electoral votes so I never really cared.
With that said, I know nothing about this debate. Would it be a stupid solution to require residents of DC to have their residency either be in MD or VA, and get rid of an autonomous DC residency all-together?
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:17 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
no.
Republicans don't want 3 more Democrats voting in the house/sentate. that is all.
it is politics as usual, but it's not racial.
Also, the demographics of DC are changing drastically. there are many young white people moving in and the African American population is moving into PG county Maryland
Republicans don't want 3 more Democrats voting in the house/sentate. that is all.
it is politics as usual, but it's not racial.
Also, the demographics of DC are changing drastically. there are many young white people moving in and the African American population is moving into PG county Maryland
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:19 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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The only real issue is that republicans want to disenfranchise blacks there. Politics as usual.
Actually, the idea of DC statehood has been backed numerous times by Republicans over the years.
EDIT: I don't mean DC statehood, I meant the idea of relieving DC residents from paying federal income taxes. Just confused myself.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:20 am to weagle99
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I mainly don't want people whose subsidence is dependent on the government to have an equal say in how that government spends money. I would prefer if the votes of people who pay into the federal tax system (not federal employees) count more than people who don't pay.
Cool, now we can get rid of the voting rights of every southern state.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:22 am to GetCocky11
Isn't a compromise possible? IE, let their house member have the same voting rights as any other house member?
Oh. And hey, dumb question. How in the frick did D.C. basically become a black city in the first place? Basically, most of the people who WORK in D.C. don't live there, and D.C. became one giant hood. I mean, WTF?
Oh. And hey, dumb question. How in the frick did D.C. basically become a black city in the first place? Basically, most of the people who WORK in D.C. don't live there, and D.C. became one giant hood. I mean, WTF?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:23 am to Salmon
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like farmers?
If they don't pay federal income taxes, then yes, like farmers.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:24 am to GetCocky11
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Don't you know that there are a ton of federal workers (including DC federal workers) and people who live in areas dependent on federal investment who live all over the country and get full representation, etc.?
Of course I know that. Doesn't mean I agree with it.
A federal employee whose entire income comes from the federal government isn't 'paying' federal income taxes.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:24 am to SEC. 593
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Of course a conservative wouldn't want it for purely political reasons.
They kind of have the better argument though.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:24 am to ShortyRob
it's always had a large African American population, started before the civil war
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:28 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:Um. They are already disenfranchised.
The only real issue is that republicans want to disenfranchise blacks there. Politics as usual.
Are you really THIS pathetically full of shite?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:28 am to GetCocky11
Why not just retrocede the non-federal property back to Maryland?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:33 am to Cosmo
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The founders wanted DC to be simply a seat of government, small city. They didnt want it to become a booming central govt bureaucracy metro area of 3 million.
Gasp! So you mean... shite changes? Holy f_ck I gotta go re-evaluate things.
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