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re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:16 pm to Greenie10
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:16 pm to Greenie10
With the cost of everything now days,
$15/hour is some BS.
I used to think otherwise but that really is impossible to pay rent and vehicle cost just to live and get to work
$15/hour is some BS.
I used to think otherwise but that really is impossible to pay rent and vehicle cost just to live and get to work
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:16 pm to Korkstand
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If they can't fill the position then they aren't overpaying.
Hire J-1 or Mexicans.
They will outwork an American Zoomer, give you far better value.
Or better yet, automate.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:17 pm to Greenie10
That’s some damn good benefits but the typical 20-22 year old person that’s starting the work force is not thinking about benefits and saving for the future. They’re worried about making the $$ now. Up that to $20/hr and you’d have more quality candidates
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:17 pm to Clames
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It's an entry-level position. Nobody, except maybe a brainless dope like you, would try to raise a family in that position. I think the real problem is that some of you are so soft and coddled in your lives that it's no longer possible for you to discern the difference between "needs" and "wants". My fiancée earned a DMD and Ph.D. and was paid a stipend during her Ph.D. effort that was barely $20k/year. She paid her living expenses and still saved up over $50k by the time she graduated dental school to pay for her residency program. This idea that a person can't make a living on $15/hour is bullshite, nothing but soft crybaby bull shite.
They don’t want to hear that. They want to be paid $60K to start and have a hybrid schedule. Unrealistic expectations along with being soft.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Same as chick FIL a and other fast food. Labor is expensive right now and your paying fast food wages.
Yeah, that’s where they’re getting the idea from. They think they’re being paid identically to someone at a Chick-Fil-A cash register. I honestly don’t blame them thinking they’re owed more than that.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:18 pm to tigerinthebueche
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They want to be paid $60K to start
Just automate, which is what is going to happen.
I'd rather have machines than people allergic to work.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:18 pm to tigerinthebueche
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No one really cares
Says the person that replied
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:18 pm to tigerinthebueche
Or they want a wage that allows for hone ownership like every generation before them
Unfortunately for them, it isn’t feasible. The American dream is truly dead
Unfortunately for them, it isn’t feasible. The American dream is truly dead
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:18 pm to lsupride87
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In sure they would much rather better a workforce where their salary afforded them the opportunity of hone ownership similar to every generation before them……
problem is they want to start out at mid career earnings with zero experience and limited qualifications as opposed to entering the work force at a level commensurate with those "skills" and improving their position based on skill and merit
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:20 pm to LouisianaLady
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The benefits probably add at least another $15k to the starting wage.
The benefits add nothing to someone making $30k. A 20 something isn't going to value health insurance that much anyway. Add that to the fact that paying the premium is going to materially affect their other expenses.
And they can't afford to contribute to a 401k or buy the stock options.
Again, why would I go to work at a place with a boss where someone tells me when to be there and when I can leave when I could work a gig economy job whenever I wanted for the same amount of money?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:21 pm to 777Tiger
quote:Or they want an entry wage similar to the cost of goods of past generations, not an entry wage 40-60% weaker relative to the cost of goods than those generations before them calling them entitled…..
problem is they want to start out at mid career earnings with zero experience and limited qualifications as opposed to entering the work force at a level commensurate with those "skills" and improving their position based on skill and merit
The lack of self awareness when calling them entitled is hilarious They are getting paid a relative wage so much less, and are being told “you should shut up and take it”
Go back in time to your first job. Now cut that salary by 40%. Would you have simply “shut up and worked”?
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:22 pm to Greenie10
Inflation, companies not keeping up with increases of other things (college/housing) and short term profit mindsets created this mess. I found out what some new hire made at the job I'm leaving and it was supposedly 15k more than me. I was established, talented, and everything else, companies are massively overpaying.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:24 pm to lsupride87
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Or they want a wage that allows for hone ownership like every generation before them
Unfortunately for them, it isn’t feasible. The American dream is truly dead
The American dream isn’t dead, some just think all
their dreams should come true at once. It’s never worked like that for Most people.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:24 pm to 777Tiger
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problem is they want to start out at mid career earnings with zero experience and limited qualifications as opposed to entering the work force at a level commensurate with those "skills" and improving their position based on skill and merit
When in any other time was an entry level position not able to pay basic necessities like somewhere to live and transportation to that job?
Look, there's certainly some people that over value themselves, but $15/hour is literally below the poverty line.
Single late 20 somethings making $100k in urban areas can't afford single family homes, that's fricked up.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:24 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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And they can't afford to contribute to a 401k or buy the stock options.
another flawed viewpoint from these young dumbasses, at the beginning of your career you can't afford not to do those things, you start that discipline at the onset and get to your 50s and will be shocked at how much wealth you've accumulated, but no, got to have ...fill in the blanks ...now! young idiots don't no what "necessessities" really are
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:25 pm to lsupride87
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Would you have simply “shut up and worked”?
Most people did, I hate to break it to you.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:25 pm to Greenie10
Absolutely.
At the same time, with what shite costs now, pay has not increased in an equivocal manner.
Are business owners out of touch with what pay should be?
At the same time, with what shite costs now, pay has not increased in an equivocal manner.
Are business owners out of touch with what pay should be?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:26 pm to Jsand43
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think you have no idea how much things cost today. Go try to make a living and raise a family on that type of money and then get back to me
It’s an entry level position for someone 18-25, lol. You shouldn’t be trying to ‘make a living’ or raise a family. That’s not the people the OP is trying to hire anyway.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:26 pm to SuperSaint
quote:It's a position for a high school grad with limited skills. If you are worth a shite you'll advance. I think too Manu are considering this from a college grads perspective or that of a 30 plus year old person.
good luck finding someone worth a shite for $15
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:26 pm to 777Tiger
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another flawed viewpoint from these young dumbasses, at the beginning of your career you can't afford not to do those things
When you make $30k/year, you literally can't afford it.
If you drive a jolopy and live in the ghetto, you are still living paycheck to paycheck at best.
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