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re: I'm glad the BLM crowd is so dedicated to equality
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:52 am to Puck82
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:52 am to Puck82
Or somehow you can point out that twice as many whites as blacks or shot by cops, but somehow that statistic is deemed irrelevant because there arent as many blacks in the population. So somehow, in the BLM mindset you are more likely to be shot if you are black. But the fact that 14% of whites are killed by blacks; wheras, only 7% of blacks are killed by whites is glossed over. Shouldn't that lead to even more outrage?
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 9:53 am
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:55 am to Puck82
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Sorry but this is a made up injustice that people are just looking to bitch about.
It is a made up injustice in the sense that people paint it as some sort of conscious discrimination.
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Because there just need to be x number of black coaches?
No, but they're statistically underrepresented with respect to their sport. That is undeniable.
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Does there also need to be x number of white players?
No, but this is also a much more quantitative and objective job. Bigger, faster, and stronger players get the job. Coach is significantly more subjective.
All that being said, this is was just an example.
Getting the job as a stocker in a grocery store would be akin to playing in the NFL if there were open tryouts for stockers and the best guys win, but that isn't how it works. Instead, getting a job as a stocker is based on who the manager thinks will be the best employee based on a litany of subjective reasons. Stereotypes creep in. Bias creeps in. Human nature creeps in.
The same exact thing would be true if blacks were a majority of this country and represented a majority of business owners.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:04 am to slackster
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IF a black mother and son found themselves in the exact same predicament, for the two of them to succeed to the levels that you've attained, they would have had to overcome all of the things you and your mother did AND overcome the fact that they aren't white.
My goodness man, do you attempt to outdo your own stupidity with every post you make or what?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:06 am to RoosterCogburn585
How about no white media coverage? That would work. 
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:08 am to slackster
Alright. Neither of us are going to change their opinion. But for future reference when answering this question
This
Does not equal
This.
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Because there just need to be x number of black coaches?
This
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but they're statistically underrepresented with respect to their sport. That is undeniable.
Does not equal
This.
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No
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:17 am to Steadyhands
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My goodness man, do you attempt to outdo your own stupidity with every post you make or what?
What is your issue with the statement?
However insignificant you think race is, it still matters in this country, even if at a subconscious level. 79.8% of the employed civilian workforce in this country is white. If all else is equal, looking like them is a plus, unless you're a member of the race known for being great at math and terrible drivers.
Look at this very thread and the responses you see here. People think the majority of black folks are lazy welfare drags. You don't think that comes into play when hiring largely equal candidates?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:17 am to slackster
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quote:Sorry but this is a made up injustice that people are just looking to bitch about.
It is a made up injustice in the sense that people paint it as some sort of conscious discrimination.
quote: Because there just need to be x number of black coaches?
No, but they're statistically underrepresented with respect to their sport. That is undeniable.
quote:Does there also need to be x number of white players?
No, but this is also a much more quantitative and objective job. Bigger, faster, and stronger players get the job.
Coach is significantly more subjective.
All that being said, this is was just an example.
So now you're saying that companies aren't hiring the best people to do the jobs? What does experience and job performance have to do with race?
White people have never complained to anyone that we don't have it good enough. There was never anyone for us to complain to, but we wouldn't have complained if there were. We just did what we had to in order to get where we are. Mean while we give every opportunity and extra advantage to other races. We do not suppress anyone who has the will and desire to get ahead. We never have. So STFU and stop blabbering your BS to everyone on this thread.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:20 am to slackster
Just start "WLM" movement and "White Entertainment Television" channel and see how that looks from the other side of the fence
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:23 am to Pahnew
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Just start "WLM" movement and "White Entertainment Television" channel and see how that looks from the other side of the fence
Boom. End of argument...
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:23 am to Puck82
I highly doubt an NFL owner would say no to a black coach if he thought the guy could give him a better chance at a super bowl.
That argument is terrible
That argument is terrible
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:24 am to Puck82
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But for future reference when answering this question
I understood your question to ask if there should be a quota, which I find ridiculous for any race.
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Neither of us are going to change their opinion
I meant it earlier when I said bravo for overcoming what amounts to very long odds in this country. Nothing I've said is meant to diminish your achievements. You did not get where you are because you're white. My point is that for a black man or a hispanic man to get to the same level, in the same circumstances, he would have to work even harder. The numbers and stereotypes are not on his side. I'll leave it at that.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:26 am to slackster
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The numbers and stereotypes are not on his side
Then blame there own race, not the cops and white folks. They made there own race that stereotype by facts not by another races opinion
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:27 am to slackster
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Do you think being black in this country is better than being white?
I have a fantasy question for you. If all the African Americans in Baton Rouge decided in one day to all move away and to never come back, do you think the high violent crime rate currently plauging the city the would improve? I think you know that the answer would be yes, and drastically. Just look at the violent crime statistics by race for Baton Rouge if you don't believe me. And the majority of this crime is black on black.
Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are trying you say with your questions and sympathize to a very, very small degree, but is "white privilege" really the most concerning issue within the African American community? Improving issues within the African American community should be the main concern. The majority of the country will never take the BLM movement or the excessive whining about white privilege seriously until blacks make more of an effort to fix the issues within their own community.
But let me take a guess, the response from you to my question will probably be something about how what I'm saying is an example of white privilege.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:38 am to Steadyhands
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So now you're saying that companies aren't hiring the best people to do the jobs? What does experience and job performance have to do with race?
Obviously you misunderstood the entire conversation. Companies hire who they think will be the best person for the job, but the more subjective the qualifications are, the more likely bias is to enter the fold.
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We do not suppress anyone who has the will and desire to get ahead.
See, this is an example of the extremes I mentioned earlier. If there isn't some active, systematic effort to suppress a race, then everything is A-ok. Discussing advantages and disadvantages of certain races and socioeconomic classes doesn't mean I think there is some sort of widespread injustice being perpetuated nor does it mean I think my fellow white folks are a bunch of racists.That word gets thrown around far too often.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:40 am to slackster
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slackster
i can't believe these posters are so unwilling to understand what you're trying to say
Like hitting your head against a wall.
People
We get it. Blacks have it easier as far as the nanny state goes. But you being born white you start off ahead. That's not even debatable. Not,that's not saying that just because you're white you don't have to do shite in life to make something out of yourself but saying blacks have it easier from birth is just asinine.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:43 am to slackster
quote:You asked it the wrong way.
but this is a load of shite, and I can prove it to you. Do you wish you were black?
You shoulda asked would you trade the way you're treated in every single daily interaction you have for the way the average black person is treated.
No logical white person would make THAT trade. I'm a white male, I understand the deal here. That being said, I don't have to feel bad or apologize for it as I've done nothing wrong.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:54 am to Monkeyboy
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Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are trying you say with your questions and sympathize to a very, very small degree, but is "white privilege" really the most concerning issue within the African American community? Improving issues within the African American community should be the main concern.
You're 100% correct.
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The majority of the country will never take the BLM movement or the excessive whining about white privilege seriously until blacks make more of an effort to fix the issues within their own community.
BLM is a farce and I've derided it numerous times on this board. No one should take them seriously.
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If all the African Americans in Baton Rouge decided in one day to all move away and to never come back, do you think the high violent crime rate currently plauging the city the would improve? I think you know that the answer would be yes, and drastically. Just look at the violent crime statistics by race for Baton Rouge if you don't believe me. And the majority of this crime is black on black.
Yes, it would get much better from a crime standpoint. Black people commit far more violent crimes per capita than white people, but isn't this question a small example of what I was discussing with Puck? You've suggested removing all black people from BR, not just the criminals, which are far less than the majority. Someone earlier said that the majority of black people are on welfare, which is false. So, if a poor black kid in BR is trying to get out, he has to overcome not just the poverty and shitty educational opportunities, but he also has to overcome the sins and stereotypes of what amounts to a minority within his own race. The idea that the poor black kid in BR can make it with just as much effort as the poor white kid in BR is a farce. The black kid has to do more to get out.
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the response from you to my question will probably be something about how what I'm saying is an example of white privilege.
Well part of it was an example of the underlying basis for white privilege, so
FWIW, I hate the term white privilege just as much as I hate the term BLM. You're not going to have much of a conversation when you come at white people trying to undercut their success by blaming it on their privilege, and you're not going to rally support against police brutality by ignoring the lives of other races who are killed by the police. Both terms marginalize what is an otherwise worthy conversation.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:55 am to RoosterCogburn585
She is a racist.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:57 am to RoosterCogburn585
Wait till they find out all charges have been dropped in the Baltimore Freddie Grey case - as they should have been! Dis gonna be fun.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 11:01 am to shel311
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You asked it the wrong way.
Apparently. For the sake of brevity I left it pretty blunt and plain, and since then I've spent entirely too much time and effort explaining a concept that I think is pretty damn logical.
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I'm a white male, I understand the deal here. That being said, I don't have to feel bad or apologize for it as I've done nothing wrong.
This. I don't apologize for it either. I just thank God that I was born an American first and foremost, and a white American at that. Understanding you have it better than others, however insignificant you think that gap may be, shouldn't be as hard as people make it.
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