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re: If you've never read The Iliad, are you really educated?

Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:45 pm to
Posted by MrSmith
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:45 pm to
You sound like a real winner
Posted by OldTigahFot
Drinkin' with the rocket scientists
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:46 pm to
Read Iliad & Odyssey in jr. high. That's what piqued my interest in sci-fi/fantasy in my later years.

Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:47 pm to
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I'm my experience, women love well read men.


Mine too, but I haven't seen Kama Sutra mentioned.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:47 pm to
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And I read The Iliad, The Odyssey, and translated The Aeneid from Latin. Also read The Persian Wars and The Peloponnesian Wars in one week for a grad seminar.


We had to translate the Iliad for Greek class and Aeneid for Latin. I think the Aeneid was on the AP test.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31910 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:48 pm to
That book was written thousand of years ago and passed down by word of mouth for generations. It's about wat and a wayward sea voyage, doesn't take an education to read it
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:51 pm to
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How does one make it through high school without reading the Illiad?


Plutarch's Lives is far better. So are Aristotle's works on Ethics, Politics and Rhetoric.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:53 pm to
Liberal arts sucks.

I had to take one philosophy class in college and it was some dumb shite. Cant believe people willingly spend money on learning that.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:53 pm to
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doesn't take an education to read it


You're uneducated if you don't read books that were written when everyone thought the world was flat, apparently.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 8:57 pm to
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when everyone thought the world was flat, apparently.



This is one of those rumors that has no basis in reality. The Greeks knew the world was round. Sailors have observed this simple truth for millenia.
Posted by AldoRaine
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:03 pm to
Ghey
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:07 pm to
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This is one of those rumors that has no basis in reality.


It was sarcasm.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:18 pm to
It was sarcasm meant to downplay some of the most influential thinkers in the history of western civilization. The irony that made it sarcasm was put on the need to be familiar with them in order to be considered educated. It was not put on your saying that they were ignorant. Don't be disengenuous.

I don't think you need to have read The Iliad in order to be considered educated. You should at least be vaguely familiar with the people who are the foundation of modern academia in order to have something of a rounded education.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38680 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:20 pm to
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or the cupidity of today’s educational institutions


I love LSU too.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85025 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:24 pm to
I was never required to read it in high school. But I read both the Iliad and Odyssey at my Liberal Arts college... where I got my physics degree.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:42 pm to
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Monkeys typing Shakespeare, monkeys typing Shakespeare.


A ....something... by any other name...
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:43 pm to
Read does not equal understood.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:45 pm to
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Keep your liberal bullshite links to yourself...



@ you for thinking that the WSJ and the frickING ILLIAD are liberal.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22346 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:54 pm to
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It was sarcasm meant to downplay some of the most influential thinkers in the history of western civilization.


Of course

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The irony that made it sarcasm was put on the need to be familiar with them in order to be considered educated. It was not put on your saying that they were ignorant. Don't be disengenuous.


It was SARCASM, bitch!

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You should at least be vaguely familiar with the people who are the foundation of modern academia in order to have something of a rounded education.


I do...get over yourself.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
21838 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:12 pm to
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Unless you read it in Ancient Greek, I'm not impressed.



This.

"Oh wow-ah, you translated the english version of latin back to the latin version of english, u must b soo smart!!"
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7651 posts
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:13 pm to
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So that is all the great works in History and that is what should be required reading for all schools?


No, they are simply the greatest works in a myriad of cultures. I could literally add over a dozen others that I would like kids to read. These are just the ones I would say are the most valuable in the classroom setting. Oh, and yes, I do think these should be required reading. Or at least, pieces. I read them all, or at least, most of them. The Ramayana was not in school, and I have only read pieces, not it's entirety yet. As I said, it would be the most questionable.

Faust - Germany
The Ramayana - India
One Thousand and One Nights - Tales from all over the Islamic empire, and regions touching the empire.
Divine Comedy - the preeminent work of "modern" Italy
The Aeneid - the greatest of the Latin works.

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