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re: If the Wage Gap Exists, Why Do Companies Hire Men?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:46 am to shel311
Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:46 am to shel311
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So people have gone through data, put in tons of research and made conclusions, and you disagree with it...just because?
it's not "just because".. that "77 cent" number is derived from all income iirc
women who are unmarried and have never had children often make more than male counterparts in the same field
child birth is the primary variable that affects women's careers, which is what affects their long term earning (and potential). every child birth takes a few months of less productivity (end of the pregnancy) and then a few months of maternity leave. risking the hire on a candidate who plans to get pregnant is also a major risk. add those 2 factors and women are less appealing for managerial roles and why they don't progress as often.
there are 2 other factors that skew the aggregate numbers
1. the super rich. this group tilts heavily towards males. these are mostly entrepreneurial endeavors so sex has no influence on anything
2. career choice. the division of jobs is not equal. remember, there are more women in college and MANY more graduating from college these days. but more men graduate from the higher paying jobs. no matter how hard SJWs try, women just aren't as interested in engineering, programming, etc jobs. also, non-college careers aren't equal. men do a MUCH higher % of dangerous/risky jobs and due to the nature of the jobs, they get paid more.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Jake, you're have a slightly higher level of intelligence than the typical poster.
Single man, no kids, college degree vs. single woman, no kids, same degree is more of an apple to apple comparison.
Single mother of 3 kids in same household vs single father of 3 (kids live w/mother) isn't comparing the same two types of apples.
In the 70's and 80's when 2 family incomes became the norm was the start of the latch key generation.
I can't prove it, but suspect much of the U.S.'s current social problems can be traced back to that time.
Single man, no kids, college degree vs. single woman, no kids, same degree is more of an apple to apple comparison.
Single mother of 3 kids in same household vs single father of 3 (kids live w/mother) isn't comparing the same two types of apples.
In the 70's and 80's when 2 family incomes became the norm was the start of the latch key generation.
I can't prove it, but suspect much of the U.S.'s current social problems can be traced back to that time.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
When controlled for education, profession, hours worked, etc... the wage gap shrinks to roughly 4-5% depending on the study and research. There are always going to be outliers and individual cases of discrimination but to say the wage gap is a major issue is dishonest.
I'm confident that whoever the democratic nominee is will make this a part of their platform and will trump the .77 statistic because people will take it at face value, which is another reason to hate politicians.
I'm confident that whoever the democratic nominee is will make this a part of their platform and will trump the .77 statistic because people will take it at face value, which is another reason to hate politicians.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:04 am to Rebel
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I can't prove it, but suspect much of the U.S.'s current social problems can be traced back to that time.
well most of our social problems are a lot better now than in the 70s and certainly the 80s
but back to the divide. no matter what, women will have to invest a lot more in child rearing than men. that's just basic biology and there is nothing we can do about it. about the only thing that can sort of level the playing field is to allow both sexes long maternity leave, so that fathers can hurt their career around the same amount as females (which still leaves open the gap for men and women who don't have kids to race ahead of them). this is why you see the push for national maternity leave and paternity leave along with it (especially in the liberal media)
the other issue is more suspect but something i believe. women have slightly higher IQs on average but fewer outliers. men have slightly lower IQs on average but many more extremes. that means we have more brilliance and more stupidity. add that to male risk taking (which is biological and evolutionary) and we'll have those extreme successes (and more extreme failures as well)
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:14 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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This all comes from a conversation I had tonight with one of my friends in Colorado. She owns a very successful, large scale organic farm. She's also the crunchiest of hippies. She brought up the wage gap and nattered on for a while before I interrupted her and asked, "So does that mean you're going to hire women instead of Mexicans for the harvest."
She got mad and hung up the phone.
Liberals = Hypocrits
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:21 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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If the Wage Gap Exists, Why Do Companies Hire Men? by PurpleandGold Motown
Women use a lot of toilet paper at work. That expense is deducted out of salary right off the bat.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:23 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Their boobs get in the way
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:43 am to Mahootney
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:10 pm to gatorhata9
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When controlled for education, profession, hours worked, etc... the wage gap shrinks to roughly 4-5% depending on the study and research. There are always going to be outliers and individual cases of discrimination but to say the wage gap is a major issue is dishonest.
I would still consider a 5% gap to be a big issue.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:36 pm to TigerBait1127
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I would still consider a 5% gap to be a big issue.
A big issue?
Nut up and say it. You believe that after controlling for those other reasonable variables, the remaining difference can best be explained by...__________ (cowardly punting by saying "a big issue" is not acceptable).
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:39 pm to Wtodd
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Because office flings with chicks are better and chicks give better 'office' head.
How would you know that chicks give better head than men?????
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:47 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Holy frick, am I missing something or did no one post this article and video?
Because this thread is over.
LINK
Because this thread is over.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:49 pm to shel311
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So people have gone through data, put in tons of research and made conclusions, and you disagree with it...just because?
It's not accurate. The methodology used to get the $0.77 figure is beyond retarded. They basically took the salary of every man working and divide by the number of men working and compared to women's salaries divided by number of women working.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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e other issue is more suspect but something i believe. women have slightly higher IQs on average but fewer outliers. men have slightly lower IQs on average but many more extremes. t
Right. Men have heavier concentrations at the edges of the bell curve while women are more concentrated in the middle.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 1:17 pm to Willie Stroker
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Nut up and say it. You believe that after controlling for those other reasonable variables, the remaining difference can best be explained by...__________ (cowardly punting by saying "a big issue" is not acceptable).
The 5% is best explained by men's aggressive nature as compared to women. They are more likely to demand raises and change jobs if they don't get them. Women by nature are more risk averse and value security over compensation and validation.
I've read many of the studies and their refutations.
The reason I wrote the OP the way I did is I found it funny how many people will bitch about LEGAL immigrants in STEM fields working for less and taking jobs while according to the media and white house American women are willing to work for 3/4 of a man's salary.
The enemy is within.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:50 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
You get what you pay for? 
Posted on 7/31/15 at 2:58 pm to TigerBait1127
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I would still consider a 5% gap to be a big issue.
I would not. You know why? Because with the scope we're talking about, not everything is going to be equal. Ever. But at 5% and shrinking, it's not an issue at all.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 4:24 pm to Willie Stroker
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A big issue?
Nut up and say it. You believe that after controlling for those other reasonable variables, the remaining difference can best be explained by...__________ (cowardly punting by saying "a big issue" is not acceptable).
I'm sorry, but what?
And frick off. I'm not cowardly punting anything on an anonymous message board. I guess we can't all be as manly as you. If the gap is 5%, I don't know why it exists. Thanks for trying to speak for me though.
"Not Acceptable"
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 4:28 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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The 5% is best explained by men's aggressive nature as compared to women. They are more likely to demand raises and change jobs if they don't get them. Women by nature are more risk averse and value security over compensation and validation.
I think this is probably pretty accurate.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 4:59 pm to TigerBait1127
If you think that the quoted statement is "probably accurate", then why is the 5% gap a "big issue".
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 5:00 pm
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