- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: I have some questions I'd like to ask catholics (very long)
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:40 pm to SwaggerCopter
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:40 pm to SwaggerCopter
Bigedlsu@yahoo.com 
2
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:44 pm to BigEdLSU
Whichever admin anchored this, I respect that. You guys usually seem to cut me a little bit more slack. I figured this is the best place to bring these questions. I'm not going to randomly walk into a cathedral and grill the priest. This forum provides an opportunity for me to understand the views of others
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:44 pm to BigEdLSU
Hey guys,
I believe in some crazy nonsense for no good reason. Some other people believe a different version of crazy nonsense. The nonsense I believe makes sense to me, but their nonsense is just too crazy. Can you explain it to me?
I believe in some crazy nonsense for no good reason. Some other people believe a different version of crazy nonsense. The nonsense I believe makes sense to me, but their nonsense is just too crazy. Can you explain it to me?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:45 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:That isn't his purpose. He is just the head of the church.
For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God. Surely catholics don't think he is anything other than a filthy sinner, just like me. Right? Surely catholics don't think they need him to pray to God for them, do they?
quote:People pray to Mary for guidance, among other reasons. There really is no "middle man" when it comes to prayer.
Speaking of having your prayers go to a middle man.... Or woman... What is the deal with praying to Mary? She is nothing more than the vessel God used to bring Jesus into this world. Is there any biblical reference at all to Jesus saying to pray to his mom?
quote:The prayers aren't to atone for the sins. They are merely a continued method of directed reflection.
Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
Confessing sins is the important part.
quote:All Catholic children are baptized, but they become full members of the church at Confirmation during their teen years. It is that moment that they consciously accept the church and it's teachings.
And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:45 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
Now what about the part where it is said that Mary was favored among all women? Well that part is obviously true. God was obviously pleased with Mary, to choose to use her as the vessel to deliver the messiah into the world. God was pleased with Abraham too, but no one is praying to Abraham (I hope).
See this is also false, in the Catholic Bible it doesn't say anywhere that Mary was favored over all women, in fact it never even says for sure that Mary was a woman (although it's pretty clear that she was white and upper-middle class). Also, we Catholics don't call the bible "the bible", we call it the "borble". It's not a huge difference but I figured it was worth noting since a good Catholic will bite the shite out of you if you call it the wrong thing.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:47 pm to Scruffy
quote:
quote:
For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God. Surely catholics don't think he is anything other than a filthy sinner, just like me. Right? Surely catholics don't think they need him to pray to God for them, do they?
That isn't his purpose. He is just the head of the church.
quote:
Speaking of having your prayers go to a middle man.... Or woman... What is the deal with praying to Mary? She is nothing more than the vessel God used to bring Jesus into this world. Is there any biblical reference at all to Jesus saying to pray to his mom?
People pray to Mary for guidance, among other reasons. There really is no "middle man" when it comes to prayer.
quote:
Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more.
The prayers aren't to atone for the sins. They are merely a continued method of directed reflection.
Confessing sins is the important part.
quote:
And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent.
All Catholic children are baptized, but they become full members of the church at Confirmation during their teen years. It is that moment that they consciously accept the church and it's teachings.
OP, please disregard this jibberish. If you're genuinely curious and you'd like to learn more about this beautiful and mysterious religion, inbox me and I'll show you the secret Catholic handshake that will get you into a mass where they'll explain everything and let you speak with some hostages.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:48 pm to Scruffy
quote:
Scruffy
Good answers. I was going to take a stab at them, but Scruffy worded it better than I would have.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:49 pm to Scruffy
Thank you for being the first person to answer me. If the pope is just the head of the church, that I understand. I've heard before that he directs prayers of all to God. Maybe I'm misinformed.
You said people pray to Mary for guidance. Why? She is not God.
You said people pray to Mary for guidance. Why? She is not God.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:53 pm to BigEdLSU
oh, the irony of it all
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:53 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
I have some questions I'd like to ask catholics (very long)
Says he is going to ask a few questions and proceeds to give out wrong answers.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:54 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
For starters, the pope. It is my understanding that the pope is supposedly taking all the prayers of all catholics to deliver them to God. Surely catholics don't think he is anything other than a filthy sinner, just like me. Right? Surely catholics don't think they need him to pray to God for them, do they? I've never heard of this and I've been a catholic all my life. I'm pretty sure whoever told you this was incorrect. No catholics (to my knowledge) do not believe that the Pope must deliver prayers to God. The Pope is simply the leader of the Catholic Church.
Speaking of having your prayers go to a middle man.... Or woman... What is the deal with praying to Mary? She is nothing more than the vessel God used to bring Jesus into this world. Is there any biblical reference at all to Jesus saying to pray to his mom? Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Ever asked for prayers for your family? The Hail Mary is a prayer that simply askes Mary to pray for us. If you going to ask anyone to pray for you, why not ask the mother of Jesus herself.
Now I know the angel greeted her with "Hail Mary", however if you are honest with yourself, hail was a greeting back then. It just meant "Hi Mary" in my opinion. The way some people use it in prayer in modern times certainly doesn't mean "Hi".
Now what about the part where it is said that Mary was favored among all women? Well that part is obviously true. God was obviously pleased with Mary, to choose to use her as the vessel to deliver the messiah into the world. God was pleased with Abraham too, but no one is praying to Abraham (I hope). Again, we are not praying TO Mary. As in we do not expect Mary to answer our prayers. "Hail Mary full of grace Pray for our Sinners"
Third, punishment. It is my understanding that if you sin as a child, the priest will command you to say 10 Hail Marys or something along those lines. The gospel however tells us that we cannot "earn" our way into heaven, that we can only please God through faith. We cannot atone for our sins any more than we could make the moon turn into cheese. Jesus has paid for our sins, we don't have to pay more. Jesus also told his apostles to go out and forgive the sinners. The priests are following that word of Jesus
And lastly, baptism. It is my understanding that all catholic children are baptized as infants. I was taught that baptism was symbolic of a rebirth into Christ, and is the decision of the individual, not the parent. Already been addressed I would think. We are baptized, but our confirmation is more along the lines of what your referring to.
I will repeat, I'm a filthy sinner. I am lost without my Lord and savior. I just can't help but see a relation between the Pharisees and my understanding of Catholics. What am I missing?
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:56 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
I've heard before that he directs prayers of all to God.
Not sure who's telling you this. But it's completely wrong. Now the Mary questions I understand, but I can't really give you good answers without looking it up. But you can probably do a little Google digging to find official answers from the Catechism or some other official source.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:58 pm to TigerBait414
Thank you also. I don't think I could ever pray to anyone but God himself, but to each their own.
Of course I've had people pray for me, because Jesus says where 2 or more are gathered in his name, he is there.
Allow me a follow up question. You, scruffy, any catholics.
If a random stranger approached you and asked you if you were a Christian, how would you respond?
Of course I've had people pray for me, because Jesus says where 2 or more are gathered in his name, he is there.
Allow me a follow up question. You, scruffy, any catholics.
If a random stranger approached you and asked you if you were a Christian, how would you respond?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:59 pm to BigEdLSU
I just sent you an email, my man.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:59 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
If a random stranger approached you and asked you if you were a Christian, how would you respond?
Yes....Catholicism was the original form of Christianity. Don't know who's told you that Catholics are not Christians.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:01 pm to TigerBait414
No one told me that and I'm not saying you aren't. I posed to question here not to attack catholics but to understand them. Sounds like we are brothers in Christ, which is awesome.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:01 pm to BigEdLSU
1. The pope disseminates any new info that God has for us. When acting as pope his word is the infallible word of God. I am unfamiliar with any delivery aspect to his position.
2. Mary. Praying to Mary is sort of like you being in trouble with your dad so you go try to get your mom to talk to him on your behalf.
2a. Mary was favored, yes. You seem to have this part down.
3. Punishment, aka penance. Penance shows that you are serious about being sorry for what you did and that you are not just giving a lip service apology.
4. Baptism. Since all people are born with original sin this early baptism is meant to clean that off of you.
2. Mary. Praying to Mary is sort of like you being in trouble with your dad so you go try to get your mom to talk to him on your behalf.
2a. Mary was favored, yes. You seem to have this part down.
3. Punishment, aka penance. Penance shows that you are serious about being sorry for what you did and that you are not just giving a lip service apology.
4. Baptism. Since all people are born with original sin this early baptism is meant to clean that off of you.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:02 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
I don't think I could ever pray to anyone but God himself, but to each their own.
Also I've edited my response. I originally (accidentally) said "we are praying to Mary". Was suppose to say "we are not praying to Mary."
We are just asking her to pray for us.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:03 pm to BigEdLSU
In Catholicism, there is the belief that those deemed saints or exceptionally holy, i.e. Mary, have a greater spiritual presence. They also do have the ability to pray for you. You may consider that being a "middle man", but that's up for interpretation.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:03 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
No one told me that and I'm not saying you aren't. I posed to question here not to attack catholics but to understand them. Sounds like we are brothers in Christ, which is awes
I'm not offended. I've heard all of these questions before and have not problem answering them. My annoyance (if there is any) is with those who are spreading lies about Catholicism. Its not with you my man so no worries.
Page 2 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News