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re: How were German armored divisions so much more elite than their US counterparts
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:00 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:00 pm to KosmoCramer
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Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:03 pm to euquol
If Japan and Germany took over everything they wanted to the most n and s America could muster against them would have been 30 million men. The axis could have fielded 200 million
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:04 pm to geauxtigers87
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The Germans couldn't do that. The Americans also valued speed and mobility more than heavy tanks.
The German tanks had to do all the armor roles, too. Although they had some AT guns, and the late war Jagd self-propelled AT guns, the U.S. maintained a separate tank destroyer command. U.S. tanks' primary role was to lead general assaults. German tanks had to do that, plus handle the primary duty of enemy tank destruction.
That leads to the parallel development of the Panzer III (more of the anti-tank role)/Panzer IV (General infantry support and assault tank) and later the Panzer VI (Tiger)/Panzer V (Panther) with the same relationship.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:05 pm to KosmoCramer
The Nazis had the highest IQ of any army in history, of course they made great tanks.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:07 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Whenever American and British POWs were taken by Germans, they were given a bed, shelter, clothes and food. s.
Your "fun fact" is fricking wrong. I suggest reading a bit more. This is as far from the truth as you can get.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:07 pm to euquol
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If you are talking about WWII, the US was not even close to a world power. Britain and France viewed the US as a lot of bodies to get mowed down because in their eyes that is all we were. They also knew we could mass produce the shite out of machinery and equipment because we were the only country in the war not being bombed into the Stone Ages. All in all Germany only lost the war because of her own stupidity. They were far superior in eve
Shut the frick up idiot
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:07 pm to KosmoCramer
Because the Germans are the smartest people on the planet.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:08 pm to KosmoCramer
Well we beat their Nazi Asses, so they weren't that elite
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:08 pm to euquol
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If Hitler does not invade Russia before it defeats Britain, all of Europe is speaking German today. Hell if Hitler does not let the forces escape at Dunkirk Britain would have been in serious trouble.
What I meant by my post is that Germany overextended herself in every way imaginable. Had it embraced the Slavic people desperate to depose Stalin he easily conquers Russia. The Russians rose up against Hitler because he was far more brutal and a SOB than Stalin was to them.
If Hitler puts aside his rabid racism I think Europe and the world is a scary place today
Ifs and buts are candy and nuts...
The very reason that the British were able to get out of Dunkirk in the first place (and that the Germans couldn't capitalize on the situation) was both leadership and command structure, neither in which the Germans were particular competent.
You underestimate the capability of the navies. If the Germans had settled at the borders of the USSR, they'd have been resourced-starved (especially oil, but also rubber) within a few years. The Americans and British had almost totally choked off the German shipping lanes by early 1942.
If Hitler hadn't have been Hitler and been a dogmatic National Socialist, he probably would have never been a conquerer and usurper in the first place.
History is never preordained, but the deck was stacked against the Reich and Dai Nippon earlier than most people realize.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:09 pm to euquol
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If you are talking about WWII, the US was not even close to a world power. Britain and France viewed the US as a lot of bodies to get mowed down because in their eyes that is all we were. They also knew we could mass produce the shite out of machinery and equipment because we were the only country in the war not being bombed into the Stone Ages.
You need to learn more about history, you're one World War off bro
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:17 pm to geauxtigers87
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If Japan and Germany took over everything they wanted to the most n and s America could muster against them would have been 30 million men. The axis could have fielded 200 million
Germany could not cross the English Channel. What makes you think they could have crossed either Ocean? A land invasion to take over the United States and/or Canada from across the ocean would have been impossible in the 1940s.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:17 pm to Tiger1242
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You need to learn more about history, you're one World War off bro
So you are saying he US was a war machine in the 1930s and 1940s? K.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:17 pm to KosmoCramer
The Sherman "Easy Eight" model in the film was a very fine tank for its day.
Although it would be wise for the Easy Eight to avoid the Tiger I in a frontal engagement, there are some things to consider.
The Easy Eight's 76mm gun was quite powerful. Not as powerful as the Tiger I's 88mm gun, of course. But, if an Easy Eight were in a concealed position and a Tiger I's frontal armor presented itself at 500 meters, the Easy Eight would no doubt take a shot or two before reversing and escaping. The hits would not knock out the Tiger, but, it could damage or destroy the Tiger's optical sighting equipment, which would be a critical degradation of the Tiger's combat efficiency.
The Tiger's tank tracks could be knocked out by the Easy Eight, and that would immobilize the Tiger.
The Easy Eight's powerful 76mm gun could alternatively wait for a flank shot on the Tiger I. The Tiger's side turret armor could be penetrated by the Easy Eight.
In sum, the Easy Eight was a great tank, and it did have speed and agility superiority over the Tiger I, so, the Easy Eight Sherman was not totally out-classed by any German tank.
Although it would be wise for the Easy Eight to avoid the Tiger I in a frontal engagement, there are some things to consider.
The Easy Eight's 76mm gun was quite powerful. Not as powerful as the Tiger I's 88mm gun, of course. But, if an Easy Eight were in a concealed position and a Tiger I's frontal armor presented itself at 500 meters, the Easy Eight would no doubt take a shot or two before reversing and escaping. The hits would not knock out the Tiger, but, it could damage or destroy the Tiger's optical sighting equipment, which would be a critical degradation of the Tiger's combat efficiency.
The Tiger's tank tracks could be knocked out by the Easy Eight, and that would immobilize the Tiger.
The Easy Eight's powerful 76mm gun could alternatively wait for a flank shot on the Tiger I. The Tiger's side turret armor could be penetrated by the Easy Eight.
In sum, the Easy Eight was a great tank, and it did have speed and agility superiority over the Tiger I, so, the Easy Eight Sherman was not totally out-classed by any German tank.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:18 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:19 pm to euquol
It's strictly a hypothetical. I agree that an invasion of the US and S America and Canada would have been all but impossible. I only say those numbers to show how hard a US led liberation of Europe and Pacific would have been alone
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:20 pm to IonaTiger
Robert Shaw sang that song a little TOO lustily for my comfort. Could it be that portraying a German Panzer Commander was his dream role? One must admit that he looks as Teutonic as Brunhilde.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:22 pm to geauxtigers87
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It's strictly a hypothetical. I agree that an invasion of the US and S America and Canada would have been all but impossible. I only say those numbers to show how hard a US led liberation of Europe and Pacific would have been alone
There's no way either Germany or the US conquers the other in the 1940s or 1950s if Germany takes all of Europe. Of course I am not figuring in the possibility of Germany acquiring nuclear weapons and obtaining the technology to bring them to us before we can bring it to them either.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:23 pm to euquol
You're a piss poor student of history. Our "pathetic" Army was better equipped and had vastly better medical support than the German's ever developed. Our soldiers were trained to a higher standard of marksmanship, cross-trained to support more functions as a basic war-fighter compared to German infantry.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:27 pm to Clames
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You're a piss poor student of history. Our "pathetic" Army was better equipped and had vastly better medical support than the German's ever developed. Our soldiers were trained to a higher standard of marksmanship, cross-trained to support more functions as a basic war-fighter compared to German infantry.
I guess our interpretation of history in the 1930s and 1940s is just different. We were able to mass produce equipment and weaponry on an unbelievable scale but we were not prepared for war when WWII broke out. Once we were sucked into the conflict we got better but at the start at the war we were not ready - just look at the initial battles in Africa.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:27 pm to KosmoCramer
They had to because of the Russian tanks, simple as that.
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