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re: How long before the SEC forces people to take down their Confederate Flags
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:05 am to Hater Bait
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:05 am to Hater Bait
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Is this an educated way to voice your opinion that every person that owns a Confederate flag is a racist redneck?
It's my way of saying that the VAST MAJORITY of those who feel the need to display Rebel Flags on their person, vehicle or homes are ALSO pretty racist. I've never once met one that felt the desire to start talking about state's rights or heritage or any of the countless excuses trotted out when called to give one. On the other hand, if I had a dollar for every time one ALSO said nagger in a conversation with me because I'm white also and I must also feel the same way they do, then I'd be typing this from a slightly nicer office chair.
In my 44 years of living in S LA I've yet to run across anyone who was doing any of those things AND was not also pretty open with their dislike of all things dark. It's anecdotal evidence for sure, but I'm comfortable with adhering to that profile.
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For me, It's just a way to say "Hey, Yankee, I'm from the south. Deal with it.
Alrighty I guess.
As am I. And like you said, it's 2014. Even if I was able to trace my ancestry back to when that flag had an actual meaning (I can not, my family came to America in the 1880's from Germany) it would still be meaningless to me because despite the fact that I currently occupy the same land they once did, in almost no other way am I similar to someone from 1860. I have no ties to that era other than common geography. I have to need to even use the term "Yankee" as if it's some slur.
That flag doesn't blanketly represent "The South." It represents a certain segment of The South.
When I feel the need to tout my love of being Southern, I run out my SEC cred. That's far more important to me than that idiotic flag.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:11 am to BIGDAB
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Even then they weren't treated fairly and few if any saw any combat. They were slaves in uniforms.
It probably wasn't until the Vietnam War that Blacks weren't treated to overwhelming racism. So, you can just let that argument go. The black men that fought for the CSA fought for their family and homeland. And yes, they fought for their fellow POOR white brothers that worked in the fields with them. Read a book man
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:19 am to Hater Bait
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So, you can just let that argument go. The black men that fought for the CSA fought for their family and homeland. And yes, they fought for their fellow POOR white brothers that worked in the fields with them. Read a book man
How you going to fight without weapons
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ow, before you get excited, keep in mind that Stauffer points out that many of these black soldiers were not accepted by the Confederate government and were not issued firearms: still more of these soldiers were coerced into joining the military, and others joined to escape miserable poverty. Professor Carol Sheriff of the College of William and Mary reinforces the notion that any blacks who fought did so somewhat involuntarily, by clarifying that some black body-servants may have taken up arms in the heat of battle to defend their masters and themselves, and even then they were sometimes forced to do so. (Article HERE.) She also makes the point that arming blacks or allowing them to fight in the military was illegal in the Confederacy. This makes it extremely difficult to claim that the Confederates used black troops, because refusing to allow them to fight and forcing them to join in the first place quashes the notion that they were soldiers. In any case, they were present in such minuscule numbers that it’s difficult to validate their presence – these “soldiers” only represented about one half of one percent of the Confederate military strength.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:19 am to Hater Bait
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The black men that fought for the CSA fought for their family and homeland. And yes, they fought for their fellow POOR white brothers that worked in the fields with them. Read a book man
There were black slave owners and like another guy pointed out, there was conscription in the South. So people had to serve. It wasn't a volunteer army..
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:27 am to BIGDAB
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these “soldiers” only represented about one half of one percent of the Confederate military strength.
They don't count because this guy says so?
All right. Everything you've seen in Gone with the Wind was exactly how it was. Every white was an educated land owner and every slave was like
mammy.
You know the only thing that movie got right was southern women are hot and hardheaded as hell.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:29 am to GeauxTigerTM
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When I feel the need to tout my love of being Southern, I run out my SEC cred
Yeah I'm more concerned about football too and I only care about the flag in regards to recruiting. I wonder if superfans would fly the flag when they know big recruits are around. Would they fly it proudly in Fournette's presence a year ago?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:33 am to RedRifle
It's all a matter of how selective the "offended" want to be.
Does a walk around LSU's campus offend you? Kirby Smith Hall? Beauregard Hall? Both Confederate soldiers.
What about our beloved LSU Tigers, named after several Confederate regiments from Louisiana.
If you're offended by one, its difficult not to be offended by the rest.
Does a walk around LSU's campus offend you? Kirby Smith Hall? Beauregard Hall? Both Confederate soldiers.
What about our beloved LSU Tigers, named after several Confederate regiments from Louisiana.
If you're offended by one, its difficult not to be offended by the rest.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:38 am to TheGreat318
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It's all a matter of how selective the "offended" want to be.
Does a walk around LSU's campus offend you? Kirby Smith Hall? Beauregard Hall? Both Confederate soldiers.
What about our beloved LSU Tigers, named after several Confederate regiments from Louisiana.
If you're offended by one, its difficult not to be offended by the rest.
I've wondered this as well, but those images or symbols weren't rehashed to represent hate. Right or Wrong that flag has a certain connotation.
If the flags original meaning was one of heritage and not hate, why then did the vast majority of southerners sit by a let their precious symbol of heritage and pride get hijacked into something that represents hate?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:39 am to BIGDAB
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Even then they weren't treated fairly and few if any saw any combat.
The perfect is the enemy of the good. I'm not arguing for the Stars and Bars - that was the government of the Confederacy's flag. Good riddance. It the wrong solution to a terrible problem, anyway.
I'm talking about the warrior's flag - the flag under which the brave warriors of the lost cause fought - those same warriors that CMH winner Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain saluted at Appomattox.
ETA: I'm only 1 post from 30000 - I need to save that, BD. I'm not ignoring you.
National flags - the top one is commonly referred to as the "Stars and Bars" - then you have the later flags try to incorporate the battle flag in to the canton.
The Battle Flag of the ANV:
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
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When I feel the need to tout my love of being Southern, I run out my SEC cred. That's far more important to me than that idiotic flag.
Yeah, I don't take any pride in a battle flag from over 150 years ago. And I have ancestors that held slaves and fought for the south.
I take pride in Southern hospitality, food, scenery, culture and the fact that I'm not a bland, lifeless Yankee.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:40 am to Ace Midnight
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I'm talking about the warrior's flag - the flag under which the brave warriors of the lost cause fought - those same warriors that CMH winner Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain saluted at Appomattox.
give me a pic Ace, maybe i'm getting the two confused.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:40 am to biglego
When I was in high school, there was a kid self nicknamed "Big Country" or just "Country" to his close friends. He played all three big sports and was a star in each. He fished and hunted. Drove a truck and finished school with an excellent GPA. On football Fridays, he made damn sure it was HIS truck that flew the Confederate flag. He didn't think it was racist or hateful. His momma was a science teacher too. He was black. Just get past the idiot haters and the media making it out that every proud southern American is a a fricking racist.
We're not. Most of us here on this site know it too. Edit: I'll say this about country too, he was always voted "king" at every dance. The most popular kid in a majority white school. He also had a smoking hot white girlfriend. Nobody cared...
We're not. Most of us here on this site know it too. Edit: I'll say this about country too, he was always voted "king" at every dance. The most popular kid in a majority white school. He also had a smoking hot white girlfriend. Nobody cared...
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:17 am to TheGreat318
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What about our beloved LSU Tigers, named after several Confederate regiments from Louisiana.
Actually, the senior Louisiana unit that has the Bengal Tiger in it's heraldry goes back to 1838...the 141st Field Artillery, which is still on the Army rolls...
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:08 pm to brmark70816
Frederick Douglass, Douglass' Monthly, IV [Sept. 1861,] pp 516 - "there are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate Army - as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops, and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government...There were such soldiers at Manassas and they are probably there still."
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:49 pm to CSATiger
That flag represents the bravery and sacrifice of every Confederate soldier that fought under it while defending their families and homes. Many of my ancestors fought under that flag and I am certainly not ashamed of them nor their flag. Some of the greatest men that this country ever produced or will ever produce served with honor and fought for a cause that they believed in. Men such as Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. What made so many of those men serve when 80% + of them did not even own slaves? Many of them fought to defend home and family. Some did indeed go to war to preserve slavery but there are many complex personal reasons that those men fought and served. JMO.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:52 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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What I like best about the rebel flag is that it's the ultimate friend filter.
If it offends you, I don't want to be your friend.
That and it gives Liberals fits!! 
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