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re: How jacked up was the Brown v Board decision on desegregation?

Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38599 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:28 pm to
I've browsed some other sites familiar with TD and the general opinion is everyone on TD is racist.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:32 pm to
I mean it's kinda hard to argue with them when you see threads like this.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47811 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:40 pm to
So back in the day, there wasn't a single white family anywhere that wanted their kid to go to a closer "black" school in their neighborhood, instead of a further away "white" school?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:41 pm to
It was government so of course the solution was worse than the original problem
Posted by cfa626
Member since Apr 2016
561 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 2:44 pm to
My grandma talks about this subject some. She said the black schools never got new textbooks, they only got outdated used books once the white school finished with them.
When deseg happened, it raised the level of education for blacks since they got equal textbooks and resources but for some reason the school as a whole went down. Probably cause kids (from both races) came with racist outlooks and spent more time fighting and acting out.
Now it seems like most whites go to private school and education is segregated again.
Not sure what's best but it should be obvious that giving black schools the hand me downs was really not fair.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/30/17 at 3:47 pm to
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The Brown decision was, in every level, the most racist decision since Dred Scott. Its basic holding was that black kids were harmed because they weren't able to be around white kids.


Yup. And then putting them in classes where they had to compete with white kids while being told they were equal crushed their self-esteem. I mean imagine if you took a bunch of Asian kids and put them in a basketball league full of black players and told them they had the exact same chance at success because they were the exact same. They wouldn’t be as good and quickly would start thinking there was something wrong with them which would demoralize them. It’s messed up.
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 3:57 pm to
Society would have been better had the government just let the south naturally integrate and move forward.

All of the government meddling caused the people not ready to accept change to dig in their heels and it quickened the problems with integration.

So you had bussing and white flight coupled with the welfare system and the deplorable public schools and it became a downward spiral that we're still watching today.
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136842 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 3:59 pm to
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but I read a study that found all children learn more in a diverse setting.
the nations with the best education scores have the least ethnic diversity
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 5:45 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:09 pm to
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he nation's with the best education scores have the least ethnic diversity


Africa is filled with countries that have almost no diversity, how are their scores? How are scores in South America? It’s only the European and Asian countries that do well and it has nothing to do with if the school is diverse or not and everything to do with the fact the students are white and Asian.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20832 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 5:39 pm to
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Society would have been better had the government just let the south naturally integrate and move forward.


Ridiculous
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 5:45 pm
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20832 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 5:43 pm to
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The court said 'no that school can't be a good school, because segregation makes it inherintly inferior.' Court said ' your education and development has been RETARDED by your INFERIOR schooling'.....


No, the court said that separate but equal is inherently unequal because it creates a sense of inferiority, especially in the children. See the doll experiments.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38599 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 5:47 pm to
Actually no it has to do with the education system and the governments in places like here investing in it. You realize we have American, British and French schools here that locals pay to send their kids to? They're going to school with Americans, British and French expat kids and do just as well as their foreign counterparts studying the same curriculum taught in our home countries.
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted by alabamabuckeye
Member since Jun 2010
22206 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 7:54 pm to
Someone listens to the Malcolm Gladwell podcast "Revisionist History".

Could have just sourced it instead of trying to sound intelligent and indignant on your own.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 7:58 pm to
I've said numerous times in the thread idiot... I actually forgot what podcast I heard it on but got me thinking and in the googling wormhole


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instead of trying to sound intelligent
have you read any of my post on here, I can promise you I don't go out of my way trying to sound 'intelligent'
Posted by Vegas Eddie
The Quad
Member since Dec 2013
5979 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 8:08 pm to
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Who do you think got the "good" jobs in the 50s and 60s after hig



The Jews
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18986 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:55 pm to
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There are many all white schools and many all black schools. It is not white people's fault our schools are vastly superior
so white people didn't male it illegal for black to be educated?
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38954 posts
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:31 pm to
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Africa is filled with countries that have almost no diversity


That isn't really true, 480. Although they're skin pigment is similar, there are actually hundreds of different ethnic groups in each country.
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