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re: How do you explain the origin of the various human races scientifically?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:18 am to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:18 am to SaintlyTiger88
quote:what do you mean "believe in the bible"?
and if you're a Christian who believes in the Bible
Posted on 8/27/14 at 5:36 am to SaintlyTiger88
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science and religion have been battling each other for centuries
Science and religion do not battle each other, each have completely separate objectives. Anyone who thinks that science precludes faith is just as foolish as someone who thinks that faith precludes science.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 5:37 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:29 am to YouAre8Up
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You do understand that even scientist and archeologist do not dispute the facts that are listed/given in the Old Testament, right?
Look - I abhor those who constantly make fun of religious people and denigrate religion in general.
But damn - you are the stereotype that allows them to think they are doing 'god's work' in their religious persecution.
Anyone who thinks a literal interpretation of the Old Testament has any place at all in a discussion of the evolution of the species is feeding their bias.
Please stop.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:32 am to pwejr88
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God could've created more people, or people period after the split.
Oh good god
You do realize that the closest thing to a human was a 3 lb vole when pangea split. don't you?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:45 am to pwejr88
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This thread is great. I love how humans try to explain God and other things that humans are not meant to understand. We are an obsessed species at trying to "factualize" information.
(if we can't prove it, it must not be real)
If we can't explain it, it must be God. Pretty dangerous line of thought for you
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:53 am to SaintlyTiger88
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I don't believe the earth is millions of years old, but thousands. Call me ignorant if you want, but that's what I believe.
oh good grief.
This is as willfully ignorant as I can imagine. This is the kind of abysmal ignorance that gives Islamists their confidence in lopping off the heads of infidels.
There is no reason at all to pit the Bible against scientific discovery. The Bible was written by men who were as skilled as anyone in their era but were understandably ignorant of the great geologic and environmental cataclysms the earth has experienced.
You do not have that 'understandable' ignorance - you are being willfully ignorant of absolute facts.
The Bible was/is a fantastic history written by extremely intelligent and dedicated men who were more interested in the moral evolution of mankind than they were the factual geologic and genetic movements about which no knowledge existed then, or for the next 6000 years.
We are only now beginning to glimpse into the complexities of those movements. The Bible is remarkably accurate in terms of places and events - but again that was not the purpose of the men who wrote the passages. They were relating events to their belief in how their God interacted with the morals of the population - and much of it was written with an allegorical methodology rather than a scientific methodology.
You can believe in the moral aspects of the Bible and be comfortable with the advance of scientific discovery at the same time - they are NOT at war with one another.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:57 am to rebeloke
Didn't read this entier thread as it looks like it turned into a creationism vs. evolution debate.
I think the main thing the OP is missing, is that the evolutionary process takes many thousands of years to create these different races. only in the last few thousand years have we been able to travel enough to have different races interact with each other. The groups were isolated from each other for very long periods of time. And if you see what happened in the Galapgos Islands, you'll realize that people in one location are going to develop traits that are very different from people in another.
I think the main thing the OP is missing, is that the evolutionary process takes many thousands of years to create these different races. only in the last few thousand years have we been able to travel enough to have different races interact with each other. The groups were isolated from each other for very long periods of time. And if you see what happened in the Galapgos Islands, you'll realize that people in one location are going to develop traits that are very different from people in another.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:00 am to The First Cut
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cience and religion do not battle each other, each have completely separate objectives. Anyone who thinks that science precludes faith is just as foolish as someone who thinks that faith precludes science.
How true - almost every rational human believes this.
it is only the idiots and fanatics from the opposing sides who keep the 'conflict' alive. Those who continually poke fun of the Bible are as arrogantly, and pathetically, ignorant as those who claim the 6000 year old earth.
I enter these threads to make exactly the same point you have stated so eloquently.
and now I bow out.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 7:01 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:10 am to LoveThatMoney
The Catholic Church officially believes in evolution. /thread
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:12 am to ChineseBandit58
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The Bible was/is a fantastic history written by extremely intelligent and dedicated men who were more interested in the moral evolution of mankind than they were the factual geologic and genetic movements about which no knowledge existed then, or for the next 6000 years.
The Bible doesn't say that the Earth is 6,000 years old. Some people have inferred it be that age by calculating the ages of Adam's decedents. The vast majority of Christians do not believe this to be the case, but those zealots and atheists go at each other over it. Neither side see the ridiculousness of the debate.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:33 am to The First Cut
My theory:
Homo sapiens started in Africa and began migrating out to different environments. Natural selection began to take place over many years, leading to different expression of traits that were most likely to succeed.
In colder environments, humans had to find shelter and form larger social networks different from clans. This led to skill differentiation and primitive agriculture.
So my theory is that migration and the encountering of different environments forced natural selection in humans...
Homo sapiens started in Africa and began migrating out to different environments. Natural selection began to take place over many years, leading to different expression of traits that were most likely to succeed.
In colder environments, humans had to find shelter and form larger social networks different from clans. This led to skill differentiation and primitive agriculture.
So my theory is that migration and the encountering of different environments forced natural selection in humans...
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:43 am to trader_tiger83
Through the primordial ooze, descended from the monkeys, came the mongoloid and negroid. However they only concerns where fighting, raping, and being being barbaric in general. God soon saw that neither were worthy or were capable of ruling this great domain. So forth with all his great power he created the Caucasoids and sent them to Earth to rule.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:53 am to SaintlyTiger88
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thetempleowl, science and religion have been battling each other for centuries, it's nothing new. Evolution vs. Creationism has been one of the main points of the ongoing battle. All I'm saying is that, to me, it's clear how humankind developed into the different races, and yes, I don't believe the earth is millions of years old, but thousands. Call me ignorant if you want, but that's what I believe.
Nah, you've gone beyond ignorant. You're just plain stupid.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:57 am to pwejr88
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This thread is great. I love how humans try to explain God and other things that humans are not meant to understand. We are an obsessed species at trying to "factualize" information.
(if we can't prove it, it must not be real)
Well, Newton also had this line of thought about certain scientific principles that we now know of today. When he couldn't figure it out, he just said it had to be divine in origin. Turns out he was wrong about many of those, so why shouldn't we assume that everything will eventually be scientifically explainable? Should we just denounce everything that we don't understand as divine and really just march straight back into the cave? Seems with your line of thought, we never would have left the cave and challenged ourselves as a species.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:18 am to Ace Midnight
yeah, I'm not sure how someone could ask the question in the OP...isn't that covered in high school...the same species spreads and years of adapting to different environments gives them different features.
I'm also not sure how anyone can think the earth is thousands of years old (i.e. do not believe in natural selection) In addition to geographical diversity there are so many pieces of evidence both observational and scientifically specific
embryology, DNA, analogous/homogenous traits, fossil records...it's kind of extraordinary to think someone hadn't noticed creatures with adaptive traits suited to their environment while also possessing traits or evidence of former characteristics that are no longer necessary...it's kind of obvious
I'm also not sure how anyone can think the earth is thousands of years old (i.e. do not believe in natural selection) In addition to geographical diversity there are so many pieces of evidence both observational and scientifically specific
embryology, DNA, analogous/homogenous traits, fossil records...it's kind of extraordinary to think someone hadn't noticed creatures with adaptive traits suited to their environment while also possessing traits or evidence of former characteristics that are no longer necessary...it's kind of obvious
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:30 am to ChineseBandit58
Young earth creationists LOL.
If only they realized that the earth is such a small part of the universe that it could be approximated as not even existing. The intelligence of humans makes them come up with some crazy shite.
If only they realized that the earth is such a small part of the universe that it could be approximated as not even existing. The intelligence of humans makes them come up with some crazy shite.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:33 am to DelU249
Really, here is the question that remains: Do you believe that humans originated from a common race and diversified, or were a diverse race and have eliminated and narrowed? Because if humans were a common race and diversified then how did they evolve into a common race? If you believe humans were a diverse race and have narrowed, then doesn’t that run contrary to prevailing wisdom that suggests evolution will always attempt to diversify a species?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:51 am to rebeloke
so much of that post is confusing
race =/= species...same species with different physical characteristics that is a byproduct of natural selection.
evolution doesn't attempt to do anything...adapt to survive, it's that simple. More often than not species die...is evolution attempting to exterminate species? no.
race =/= species...same species with different physical characteristics that is a byproduct of natural selection.
evolution doesn't attempt to do anything...adapt to survive, it's that simple. More often than not species die...is evolution attempting to exterminate species? no.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:42 am to DelU249
I know what race and species mean. Race is a subset of the species... Do you even typology bro?
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