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re: How do you comprehend/rationalize the death of a child?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:04 pm to jwall3
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:04 pm to jwall3
quote:and there's nothing wrong with that. I admire it & envy it. My brain hasn't learned how to think that way
That's exactly what was said at my daughter's funeral and it is my fervent belief.
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:05 pm to GRTiger
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Some people in this thread might find your disgust in the idea that their faith helped them cope with tragedy more offensive than what you find offensive, but you seem like the type of guy that doesn't care about that, so carry on.
I will not argue with those people who find solace in that type of reasoning. Who am I to correct them of that? If I shatter their worldview on something they've found peace with, then I'm just simply an a-hole.
But I will say how it has affected me, and that quote has made me very angry when it comes to my friend. I think it is a simply piss poor decision for anyone to tell someone that God planned for them to die. Sure some may find solace in that, but I guarantee you most won't, and you will upset them by saying that. Saying they're in heaven is fine, but to say a deity on a whim or plan decided to horribly kill your child, that's horribly insulting to many.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:07 pm to jwall3
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This is why there is a poli board I guess. I can't rationalize a living and active faith to you. That would require the regenerative work of God. Just know that I do not mind if you do not agree. I am not here to win an argument. I was simply responding as a father who has buried a child.
I understand why you want it to be that way, it gives you a reason why things like that happen. I was just giving my thoughts on it and why I don't get why people can truly believe in something that doesn't make sense
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:07 pm to Agforlife
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Faith can make it easier, believing there is a reason although you don't understand what the reason is helps.
Yeh, frick that.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:08 pm to OMLandshark
So, this deity you speak of had the foresight to purpose and provide a heaven but no power to purpose what happens in life? How comforting can that heaven be? He couldn't help here. How will He get us there? Just a thought.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:09 pm to OMLandshark
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If I shatter their worldview on something they've found peace with, then I'm just simply an a-hole.
Nature is an a-hole. Some people don't get that.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:09 pm to OMLandshark
Don't let it get to you. I look at as the "how have you been?" Greeting. Nobody cares, it's just what you're supposed to say. I think it's just a reply sometimes to something that has no words. It's like a default setting. Do they believe it? Maybe. I don't care.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:13 pm to LETSGEAUX2
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How do you comprehend/rationalize the death of a child?
I'd be drunk and drugged up til I passed away. No way I could deal with that.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:13 pm to LETSGEAUX2
seems like the best way would be a support group of people who have experienced similar.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:15 pm to jwall3
The way I interpreted his remark was that it's less offensive to simply say they're in Heaven, than to say God planned their death. That doesn't necessarily even mean he believes in Heaven.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:16 pm to jwall3
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So, this deity you speak of had the foresight to purpose and provide a heaven but no power to purpose what happens in life? How comforting can that heaven be? He couldn't help here. How will He get us there? Just a thought.
He's not saying that. He doesn't believe in any of it
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:16 pm to Schmelly
A teenage kid from my hometown was killed in a tragic accident a few weeks back. I knew him and his family well. Great kid and great family. I can't imagine how they will recover. I doubt they ever will. I will say the strength they have showed through it all is remarkable. They are unbelievable people and that's the reason everybody loved their son. He was just like them.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:18 pm to CoCo311
I understand. The difference is that I wasn't saying this is what I would tell a grieving parent. I'm saying this is my reality as a grieving Christian parent. I could not care less if what I believe would offend him. I hope he never needs to know the pain and he can keep his hypothetical angst just that--hypothetical.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:21 pm to kc8876
Does the following make sense to you? We are on this earth, shite happens, people have free will etc. God doesn't interfere, just judges our life as a whole. If there is an afterlife, the time here would be miniscule be it 5 years or 100. Would that be reasonable?
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:21 pm to CoCo311
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The way I interpreted his remark was that it's less offensive to simply say they're in Heaven, than to say God planned their death. That doesn't necessarily even mean he believes in Heaven.
Exactly. All you're telling me when you say they're in heaven is they've achieved bliss. If you tell me that God planned it, then to me it says God killed my kid and stole my child from me.
And depending on the nature of the death, then it gets even more fricking offensive. If my daughter met the worst death imaginable, telling me she's in some sort of eternal bliss is not going to offend me and perhaps make me believe she's there. If on the other hand you tell me that God planned on my daughter meeting the worst death imaginable, then I would want to strangle you for saying something so fricking offensive that the God of Love himself wanted my child to achieve that horrible of a fate. I believe in God, and that is offensive to me that his plan was for her to live 8 years simply to meet the worst fate possible. A loving God in my mind would never, ever make such a horrifying atrocious plan.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:22 pm to Schmelly
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That's exactly what was said at my daughter's funeral and it is my fervent belief.
and there's nothing wrong with that. I admire it & envy it. My brain hasn't learned how to think that way
If faith gives people peace, no matter how I feel about it personally, more power to them. We all use some crutch to get through life. Nothing wrong with finding something that helps you cope.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:22 pm to jwall3
I don't think he was negating your personal experience. He was simply stating that he personally took offense to people telling him that about his loved one.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:23 pm to OMLandshark
And yet bad stuff happens everyday...
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:25 pm to CoCo311
He keeps saying "if". Until it's actual loss, he is simply speculating.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:25 pm to jwall3
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And yet bad stuff happens everyday...
That's exactly his point. Does God plan for all of these bad things to happen?
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