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re: How do you comprehend/rationalize the death of a child?
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:46 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:46 pm to OMLandshark
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I will tell you what the answer isn't: It was all part of God's plan. Had one of my best friends get killed by a drunk driver in broad daylight when he was 14 (and note since he's was the sheriff's nephew, he got off). He and his parents were Southern Baptist, and I won't ever forget at the visitation hearing this over and over again from old ladies: This was all part of God's plan. I know they mean well, but for me, that would be pretty much the single worst thing that you could tell me that God is cruel, wants me to suffer for really no reason, and stripped me of my own flesh and blood just because he "planned it". I hope to God this never happens to me, but if I lose a child in an untimely death, anyone who tells that to me will be asked to leave and to stay away from me and my family for the rest of my life.
I wish I didn't agree with you. But I do 100%
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:48 pm to CoCo311
You are interpreting everything from a life on earth perspective.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:50 pm to LETSGEAUX2
As a parent who gas lost a child, I can only tell you that the answer to your question requires much more than a few paragraphs to answer
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:50 pm to OMLandshark
Some people in this thread might find your disgust in the idea that their faith helped them cope with tragedy more offensive than what you find offensive, but you seem like the type of guy that doesn't care about that, so carry on.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:50 pm to tigerskin
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Believing there is an afterlife and our time here is miniscule, no matter how long it is, would help a religious person IMO. But I haven't been in that position.
There's a difference between saying "He's in heaven now" (definitely wouldn't have a problem with that) and "It's all part of God's plan." That's just saying to me God murdered him and he wants you to suffer for it. It's not much different for me if someone went up to a murder victim's parents and said "It was all part of Jeffrey Dahmer's plan." If the plan involves your kid dead, it's irrelevant. But the fact that a an all powerful being consciously chose to take a child away from this world before their parents, then that is just simply sick to me.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:50 pm to CoCo311
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What kind of God takes away sweet, innocent children, and leaves rapists and murders?
It's one of the most unintelligent ways of looking at a situation that I can think of. To think it's part of "gods plan" is beyond ridiculous
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:52 pm to tigerskin
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You are interpreting everything from a life on earth perspective.
There's no other way to interpret it
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:53 pm to kc8876
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It's one of the most unintelligent ways of looking at a situation that I can think of. To think it's part of "gods plan" is beyond ridiculous
Holy shite. People in this thread have literally lost a child and this was their outlook. Leave it to the OT to find a thread about the death of a child and call people who have personal experience with it unintelligent because of their beliefs.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:53 pm to GRTiger
quote:i don't think he meant it the way U took it
Some people in this thread might find your disgust in the idea that their faith helped them cope with tragedy more offensive than what you find offensive, but you seem like the type of guy that doesn't care about that, so carry on.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:53 pm to kc8876
This is why there is a poli board I guess. I can't rationalize a living and active faith to you. That would require the regenerative work of God. Just know that I do not mind if you do not agree. I am not here to win an argument. I was simply responding as a father who has buried a child.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:54 pm to GRTiger
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Some people in this thread might find your disgust in the idea that their faith helped them cope with tragedy more offensive than what you find offensive, but you seem like the type of guy that doesn't care about that, so carry on.
It's fine to say the kid is in heaven and have faith that he's there, but for someone to tell a parent that when their child is abducted, raped, and then killed that it was "all part of God's plan", then you've pole vaulted over the line. That is not acceptable for you to say a child taken from your arms when he/she had so much more life give was "part of God's plan". I was this kid's best friend and I'll never forget old women coming up comforting me saying it was all part of God's plan, and then just being horrified at the fact that God's plan for this kid was to be hit by a drunk driver. It's simply ridiculous in my mind to say that God planned on this drunk guy mowing down an innocent teen.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:54 pm to GRTiger
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It's one of the most unintelligent ways of looking at a situation that I can think of. To think it's part of "gods plan" is beyond ridiculous
Holy shite. People in this thread have literally lost a child and this was their outlook. Leave it to the OT to find a thread about the death of a child and call people who have personal experience with it unintelligent because of their beliefs.
Now he meant it the way you took it, lol. Thats pretty stupid
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:56 pm to OMLandshark
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I will tell you what the answer isn't: It was all part of God's plan. Had one of my best friends get killed by a drunk driver in broad daylight when he was 14 (and note since he's was the sheriff's nephew, he got off). He and his parents were Southern Baptist, and I won't ever forget at the visitation hearing this over and over again from old ladies: This was all part of God's plan. I know they mean well, but for me, that would be pretty much the single worst thing that you could tell me that God is cruel, wants me to suffer for really no reason, and stripped me of my own flesh and blood just because he "planned it". I hope to God this never happens to me, but if I lose a child in an untimely death, anyone who tells that to me will be asked to leave and to stay away from me and my family for the rest of my life.
This.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:56 pm to GRTiger
I'm not a Christian, but I believe in God, just in a different sense than Christians do. I admire people's faith. That doesn't mean I agree with them.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:57 pm to OMLandshark
That's exactly what was said at my daughter's funeral and it is my fervent belief.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:58 pm to ksayetiger
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As a parent, i have no answer for you.
Exactly this.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:59 pm to LETSGEAUX2
Heavy things here folks, my heart goes out to all who have lost here. I know several fellow parents around my own age who have lost children. I cannot begin to empathize, guide or judge them, only try to be there for them in the superficial ways I can.
I hope as much sense and healing as possible can come to folks who suffer these types of loss, but I certainly have no answers or solutions.
I hope as much sense and healing as possible can come to folks who suffer these types of loss, but I certainly have no answers or solutions.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:00 pm to tigerskin
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You are interpreting everything from a life on earth perspective.
I really don't think so. What purpose did my friend have besides being hit by a drunk driver? He was never able to do anything with his life, and the only thing his death directly caused that I can think of was his father killing himself 2 months later and his mom going into major rehab over drug addiction. If that is part of a plan, call it the shittiest and cruelest plan of all time. That's not a plan a loving God puts together.
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:00 pm to OMLandshark
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It's fine to say the kid is in heaven and have faith that he's there, but for someone to tell a parent that when their child is abducted, raped, and then killed that it was "all part of God's plan", then you've pole vaulted over the line. That is not acceptable for you to say a child taken from your arms when he/she had so much more life give was "part of God's plan". I was this kid's best friend and I'll never forget old women coming up comforting me saying it was all part of God's plan, and then just being horrified at the fact that God's plan for this kid was to be hit by a drunk driver. It's simply ridiculous in my mind to say that God planned on this drunk guy mowing down an innocent teen.
Exactly. All he's sayin is THIS is the way HE thinks. He's not picking on the others who have sting faith/religion & have used it to help them get through it. But I'm with him, My best friend was killed crossing the highway to check his mail. I dont want to hear the "plan" speech. If it was his plan, he can explain it to me one day. I don't need every other person I know telling me that. To each his own
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:01 pm to OMLandshark
I agree but know I don't have all the answers. To the posters above with loss, I hope you can find some peace. My thoughts are with you all.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:06 pm
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