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History Nerds: The most decisive battle fought since the year 1800?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:15 pm
What are your thoughts on this? We've got candidates such as:
- Austerlitz
- Trafalgar
- Leipzig
- Waterloo
- San Jacinto
- Vicksburg
- Sedan (1870)
- Tsushima Straits
- 1st Marne
- Tannenberg
- 2nd Marne
- Argonne Forest
- Midway
- 2nd El Alamein
- Stalingrad
- Kursk
- Philippine Sea
- Normandy
- Austerlitz
- Trafalgar
- Leipzig
- Waterloo
- San Jacinto
- Vicksburg
- Sedan (1870)
- Tsushima Straits
- 1st Marne
- Tannenberg
- 2nd Marne
- Argonne Forest
- Midway
- 2nd El Alamein
- Stalingrad
- Kursk
- Philippine Sea
- Normandy
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:16 pm to RollTide1987
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Normandy
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Midway
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Stalingrad
My three choices.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:17 pm to RollTide1987
What does Decisive mean in this context?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:18 pm to RollTide1987
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Waterloo
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:18 pm to RollTide1987
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Portland Place, St Louis
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
By decisive do you mean the most important? Or the one with the most conclusive outcome?
Waterloo and 1st Marne would probably be the most important. The world we know today would look wildly different had those gone the other way.
Waterloo and 1st Marne would probably be the most important. The world we know today would look wildly different had those gone the other way.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
Chancellorsville was very decisive
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
Decisive in terms of outcome might be the Alamo.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:22 pm to Ping Pong
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Chancellorsville was very decisive
Tactically perhaps. But strategically? Not so much. On April 27, the day the campaign began, the Union army was at Falmouth and the Confederate army was at Fredericksburg - both sides staring at each other from across the Rappahannock River. On May 7, the Union army was back at Falmouth and the Confederate army was back at Fredericksburg - both sides staring at each other from across the Rappahannock River, less a combined 30,000 men.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:22 pm to RollTide1987
1st Marne
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:25 pm to RollTide1987
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- San Jacinto
Set in motion the US to the west coast and as the ultimate power in the western hemisphere
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
Stalingrad. If Hitler wins, the Cold War is probably between us and a Nazi dominated Europe. The USA would've went all-in on the Asian front and much of Asia (via a fully democratic China, Korea and Japan) would be America's playground to this day.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:28 pm to RollTide1987
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- Vicksburg
Well if you're including this one Gettysburg is in there too.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:29 pm to RollTide1987
Dien Bien Phu was a decisive battle that changed much in the world.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:31 pm to theGarnetWay
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Well if you're including this one Gettysburg in there too.
I didn't include Gettysburg because, while it was Lee's worst battlefield defeat of the entire war, strategically it did little to move the needle in the conflict. Lee lost a lot but his army was still formidable, battle-hardened, and ready to go for another round. His army scored tactical victories against the Army of the Potomac at Mine Run, the Wilderness, Spotsylvania Court House, and Cold Harbor in the ensuing campaigns against his army.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:31 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:31 pm to Stealth Matrix
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Stalingrad
Stalingrad didn’t end Germany in the East, Kursk did. You could argue they didn’t have a path to victory after Stalingrad, but they hadn’t lost either.
I would argue Midway was completely decisive in the pacific. There was a 0.0% chance Japan given their lack of industry, manpower, oil and their quagmire in China was ever going to beat the US after those carriers went down at Midway.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
As far as changing the course of the biggest of wars, Stalingrad followed by Midway.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
1. Waterloo
2. Moscow
3. Trafalgar
4. 1st Marne
5. Midway
in that order IMO
2. Moscow
3. Trafalgar
4. 1st Marne
5. Midway
in that order IMO
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