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re: have job titles always been so out of control?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:09 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:09 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I also notice that most peeps are a director of something.
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:16 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Yes, at least for a long time. A reference to the number of VPs was made in the movie Big. That movie didn't come out yesterday.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:30 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Haha.
I work for a Fortune 500...we have VP, Executive VP, Sr. VP
we use Workday for HR stuff. A lot of folks make up there own titles. You'll see their email sig and it doesn't come close to what their actual title in Workday is.
I work for a Fortune 500...we have VP, Executive VP, Sr. VP
we use Workday for HR stuff. A lot of folks make up there own titles. You'll see their email sig and it doesn't come close to what their actual title in Workday is.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:32 am to Twenty 49
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CIndy Smith, CAPS, PIIHB, CAM, PCR, LUTCF, GSVP
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:08 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:This is not new and has been going on for some time.
there are 5 VPs in my ~60 person department. seems excessive IYAM.
Even in the oil field. In times gone by, there used to be roustabouts that worked in production. You would be hard pressed to find any at a facility operated by a major or even a large independent. The have people who do the same things, they're just called operator 4s or some such title indicate the lowest level operator (who is actually a roustabout) qualified mostly to carry a bucket and pick up trash.
I actually saw it happen at a facility I was consulting in. Eliminated the roustabout position/created a new level operator position. Re-titled several guys. Those guys felt like they got a promotion even though their job description was identical and their pay the same.
Not really bad in that case, The VP and director titles have gotten silly.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:41 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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there are 5 VPs in my ~60 person department
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:47 am to mdomingue
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Even in the oil field. In times gone by, there used to be roustabouts that worked in production. You would be hard pressed to find any at a facility operated by a major or even a large independent. The have people who do the same things, they're just called operator 4s or some such title indicate the lowest level operator (who is actually a roustabout) qualified mostly to carry a bucket and pick up trash.
I actually saw it happen at a facility I was consulting in. Eliminated the roustabout position/created a new level operator position. Re-titled several guys. Those guys felt like they got a promotion even though their job description was identical and their pay the same.
Not really bad in that case, The VP and director titles have gotten silly.
I once worked at an engineering firm where we had 5 senior lead civil/structural designers (including myself) and two junior guys. What that meant was that the senior leads were all handling small projects by themselves (I had 3 going all at once, one of them babysitting a huge Exxon project) and we'd get help from the junior guys when we needed it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:15 am to Godfather1
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I once worked at an engineering firm where we had 5 senior lead civil/structural designers (including myself) and two junior guys. What that meant was that the senior leads were all handling small projects by themselves (I had 3 going all at once, one of them babysitting a huge Exxon project) and we'd get help from the junior guys when we needed it.
I've worked at engineering consulting firms since late 1989. The dynamics there are primarily driven by 2 things.
First and foremost, the ability to bill at a higher rate, particularly for people in demand.
Second, the ability to quantify employee pay based on their title and tying that to years in the industry or out of school while making exceptions when needed for exceptional ability/drive.
Reason 1 tends to trump all else so sometimes rule 2 is ignored completely in order to bill more. Larger companies are often more rigid so reason 2 gives rise to the practice of managers moving guys into the next title as early as possible. Also, larger companies often tie industry pay averages to employee pay based on title and years.
Once we get to management, even with consulting firms that are larger with multiple locations, it can still get out of had. I think a lot of it is ego stroking.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:17 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Brand ambassador.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:53 am to Twenty 49
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CIndy Smith, CAPS, CAM, PCR, LUTCF, GSVP
That's some serious transgender shite right there.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:57 am to Twenty 49
quote:I bet I could make up some business cards that say something like this and no one would say a word because they are ADO. (acronym de-sensitivity overload)
I laugh at all the certification initials after the names of insurance and real estate people. Nobody but their coworkers know what any of that shite means.
CIndy Smith, CAPS, CAM, PCR, LUTCF, GSVP
Crow Pie LMFAO, GFY, MAGA, GFYAWAAED, SMD
VP of Smooze
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:09 am to Crow Pie
I once had an accounts receivable girl that went on a tirade about how its pretentious for a P.E. to put P.E. behind their name, because its the same as putting MBA etc. and she didn't put MBA after her name (She was a Phoenix).
She claimed only doctors and CPA's should do that...
She claimed only doctors and CPA's should do that...
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:22 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I'd like to join in this fun.
We have a four person department with a President, Vice President, Director, and Assistant Director. Looks good on the resume I guess.
We have a four person department with a President, Vice President, Director, and Assistant Director. Looks good on the resume I guess.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 11:46 am to LCA131
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I don't really know what to say to this except I now think I know what is wrong with this country.
My current employer has moved from giving merit increases to bonuses only. Bonuses don't accumulate like pay raises.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:45 pm to mdomingue
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I've worked at engineering consulting firms since late 1989. The dynamics there are primarily driven by 2 things.
First and foremost, the ability to bill at a higher rate, particularly for people in demand.
Second, the ability to quantify employee pay based on their title and tying that to years in the industry or out of school while making exceptions when needed for exceptional ability/drive.
Reason 1 tends to trump all else so sometimes rule 2 is ignored completely in order to bill more. Larger companies are often more rigid so reason 2 gives rise to the practice of managers moving guys into the next title as early as possible. Also, larger companies often tie industry pay averages to employee pay based on title and years.
Well, all 5 of us were qualified to lead projects. We had all put our time in and were seasoned hands.
The problem was fricked up management. Each of us should've had a minimum of two younger guys working under us, but they were having trouble keeping the people they had. That office, after staying afloat with piecemeal work from the New Orleans office (grudgingly given) for a couple of years, closed up shop last year, laying off what skeleton crew they had left.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:46 pm to L5UT1ger
I care more about whats on my W2 than whats on my business card
Posted on 7/24/17 at 2:26 pm to Godfather1
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The problem was fricked up management. Each of us should've had a minimum of two younger guys working under us, but they were having trouble keeping the people they had. That office, after staying afloat with piecemeal work from the New Orleans office (grudgingly given) for a couple of years, closed up shop last year, laying off what skeleton crew they had left.
Been there a couple of times. Poor management and sometimes one poor decision of otherwise good management can really throw an office or company into a tailspin. I've also seen a larger engineering firm fall prey to mismanagement after an investment firm bought out a couple of companies and tried to force them together.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:38 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
If you ain't CEO/president you ain't shite but someone's bitch anyways
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:39 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
You in banking?
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