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re: Grand jury refuses to indict over botched SWAT raid that disfigured toddler
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to oleyeller
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to oleyeller
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i may be in the minority but i dont think the swat team is at fault. Id they were told expect alot of weapons and resist they are doing their job. They didnt intentionally hurt the child. Its a very unfortunate situation but if anyone is to blame its the childs parents.
I blame government and the enforcement agencies for the a idiotic war on citizens who choose to self medicate
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:43 am to TheDeathValley
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Philip Holloway, a criminal defense attorney and former Cobb County prosecutor, sees a contradiction between the grand jury's findings and its conclusion that no one was criminally negligent. "One might argue that the grand jury is speaking out of both sides of its mouth," Holloway told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "On the one hand, the presentment speaks in terms of criminal negligence by the task force, including severely deficient supervision.
Yet on the other hand, they elected not to recommend any criminal charges." Holloway added that "if an ordinary citizen were to act with the reckless disregard described by this grand jury, there can be little doubt that criminal charges would be filed."
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:47 am to The Third Leg
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Link to some sort of proof that the target sold drugs Outside of the home and on the property?
It's on almost every google result you find about the story.
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Oh, it's a confidential drug addict informant with nothing to gain; just a Good Samaritan. The same Good Samaritan that claimed the cops would be met with heavy artillery.
I'd be curious to see where you are getting it was a confidential informant from. Everything I have seen has said it was an actual agent who bought the drugs. Not saying you're wrong, just that I haven't seen that story.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:51 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Perhaps CNN misreported this.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/us/georgia-toddler-stun-grenade-no-indictment/index.html
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A confidential informant hours earlier had purchased methamphetamine at the house, the sheriff said.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/us/georgia-toddler-stun-grenade-no-indictment/index.html
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:55 am to The Third Leg
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Perhaps CNN misreported this.
Someone is.
The unit, composed of Habersham sheriff’s deputies and Cornelia police officers, was acting on a tip from an undercover agent with the Mountain Judicial Circuit Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression Team who said she bought methamphetamine from suspect Wanis Thonetheva at the residence the day before.
The warrant contended that an undercover agent had purchased methamphetamine at the house the day before and officials justified the no-knock warrant on the grounds that the drug dealer was dangerous and possessed firearms.
Police were conducting the raid based on information from an undercover agent who bought drugs at the home the night before.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:00 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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A confidential informant hours earlier had purchased methamphetamine at the house, the sheriff said.
LINK
All the stories I've seen said it was a CI.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:02 am to the808bass
So police, Feds, and military shouldn't use/trust informants that they believe to be credible?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:03 am to the808bass
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All the stories I've seen said it was a CI.
That's the same link provided above by TTL.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:04 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
They should use them. If their information turns to shite, they're liable. They trusted the information. Saying "well, that was info from a CI" is just a way to sidestep liability.
Eta: I'd guess they coach CIs to cover themselves. "Did you see any guns? Well, could there be any guns? Could you say there are guns for us?"
Eta: I'd guess they coach CIs to cover themselves. "Did you see any guns? Well, could there be any guns? Could you say there are guns for us?"
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:04 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
No, they should do their due diligence and use surveillance before blowing through the doors in the middle of the night.
This is not a difficult thing to do.
This is not a difficult thing to do.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:05 am to The Third Leg
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No, they should do their due diligence and use surveillance before blowing through the doors in the middle of the night.
Agreed.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:11 am to The Third Leg
quote:What?! That's crazy. That requires work. Why do that when you can just take the word of a meth addict or crackhead as fact and kick in doors?
No, they should do their due diligence and use surveillance before blowing through the doors in the middle of the night. This is not a difficult thing to do.
Your idea might not involve kicking in doors. Cops like kicking in doors.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:12 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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The day before, police said agents sent an informant to the home and successfully purchased methamphetamines from Wanis Thonetheva.
The informant told agents that there were a couple of men at the home standing "guard" outside the door leading to the finished garage area and the front door of the residence.
The informant said that it was not sure whether these "guards" posted in the front of the residence were armed with weapons.
Another link, this one from one of the same sources you linked. Weird.
https://www.cbs46.com/story/25651317/toddler-severly-burned-by-flash-bang-in-habersham-co-drug-raid
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:12 am to The Third Leg
quote:What?! That's crazy. That requires work. Why do that when you can just take the word of a meth addict or crackhead as fact and kick in doors?
No, they should do their due diligence and use surveillance before blowing through the doors in the middle of the night. This is not a difficult thing to do.
Your idea might not involve kicking in doors. Cops like kicking in doors.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:13 am to Scruffy
You can't investigate the validity of the tip because you might find out the tip was wrong or strongly exaggerared. You know what that means? No GI Joe stuff. :(
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:15 am to Spock's Eyebrow
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Collateral damage in the War on Drugs. shite happens, right?
hey. that $20 worth of Meth off the streets was worth a kid losing his nose and sight over.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:16 am to oleyeller
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anyone is to blame its the child's parents.
You mean the ones who had NO drugs in the house?
Blame the people who weren't at the time committing any crimes?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:17 am to Napoleon
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hey. that $20 worth of Meth off the streets was worth a kid losing his nose and sight over.
Don't forget the brain damage and the multi-million dollar settlement the family will be getting, which will undoubtedly be thrust upon the tax base in the form of increased insurance premiums.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:22 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Agreed
If you agree with that, then I find it difficult to understand how you don't think this is a case of criminal negligence.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 10:30 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So police, Feds, and military shouldn't use/trust informants that they believe to be credible?
Maybe they should, I don't know, investigate informant information. And God forbid they make an attempt to verify who is in the house before they start chunking around flash bang grenades.
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