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Gentrification, good or bad... Thoughts?
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted earlier in Poli Board but got whacked thought I'd try again in OT
I overheard parts of a conversation at lunch about the gentrification of NOLA. The guys (1 black/1white) were passionately discussing the pro's and con's of the phenomena.
First, I don't understand why this is even an issue in some circles. Second, as I understand it, gentrification is simply the turning of a neighborhood from a slum to a 'more white' 'hood.
Maybe this is an oversimplification of the issue, but what is wrong with safer streets, thriving small business, increased property value, and all the other things that go along with an improving area?
The argument on the other side is that culture is being sacrificed.... What does that even mean?
I like to look at things objectively, was hoping to get some wisdom from the TD community.
I overheard parts of a conversation at lunch about the gentrification of NOLA. The guys (1 black/1white) were passionately discussing the pro's and con's of the phenomena.
First, I don't understand why this is even an issue in some circles. Second, as I understand it, gentrification is simply the turning of a neighborhood from a slum to a 'more white' 'hood.
Maybe this is an oversimplification of the issue, but what is wrong with safer streets, thriving small business, increased property value, and all the other things that go along with an improving area?
The argument on the other side is that culture is being sacrificed.... What does that even mean?
I like to look at things objectively, was hoping to get some wisdom from the TD community.
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Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:38 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
it's inevitable sometimes and it's fine.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:39 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
God forbid black people better themselves and their neighborhoods on their own.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:40 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
Gentrification is great for everyone as long as you own within the gentrifying area.
Gentrification isn't really great for long time renters of a cheap area generally because eventually the landlord will raise rates because of demand and force out the low income renters.
So its all about perspective.
Gentrification isn't really great for long time renters of a cheap area generally because eventually the landlord will raise rates because of demand and force out the low income renters.
So its all about perspective.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:41 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
Good if it is uplifting and rebuilding the community from within (the residents do it, not exploiting outsiders).
Bad when wealthy interlopers come in and intentionally displace a community, particularly an ethnic community.
In Dallas, most gentrification has been of abandoned industrial areas, which is the best kind of gentrification because it does not involve displacing original residents.
Bad when wealthy interlopers come in and intentionally displace a community, particularly an ethnic community.
In Dallas, most gentrification has been of abandoned industrial areas, which is the best kind of gentrification because it does not involve displacing original residents.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:41 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
As long as it doesn't get out of control like San Francisco, it is unquestionably good.
The only complainers are those that want to make excuses for poor people, which in Nola tend to be black.
The only complainers are those that want to make excuses for poor people, which in Nola tend to be black.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:41 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
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The argument on the other side is that culture is being sacrificed.... What does that even mean?
mom and pops being forced out in favor of yet another starbucks.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:41 pm to Salmon
It's very very good. All neighborhoods are cyclical. Think of the French Quarter. Built as a bit of a slum, then became the fashionable place for French/Creole wealth, then became an Italian slum, and now is high-dollar again.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:42 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
It's a good thing if you like an increased quality of life.
It's a bad thing if you can't afford it.
It's a bad thing if you can't afford it.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:42 pm to yoga girl
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which is the best kind of gentrification because it does not involve displacing original residents.
I doubt the majority of people being forced out of gentrified neighborhoods were the original residents.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:42 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
It's a natural phenomenon. It's like asking if biology is OK?
Neighborhoods start and then evolve and that only stops when they might then sometimes end or become depopulated.
Neighborhoods start and then evolve and that only stops when they might then sometimes end or become depopulated.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:42 pm to Cosmo
Because if by bringing in a couple things to a neighborhood to make it look like not such a shite hole, it is obviously a way to cause black folks to have to become more poor.
It brings the cost of everything in the neighborhood up which costs the black folks more money. It's the white mans way to keep the blacks down.
The real perfect way would be to make a really nice neighborhood and let the hood rats live in it for free and pay for everything including maintenance and landscaping as well
It brings the cost of everything in the neighborhood up which costs the black folks more money. It's the white mans way to keep the blacks down.
The real perfect way would be to make a really nice neighborhood and let the hood rats live in it for free and pay for everything including maintenance and landscaping as well
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:42 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
Just say better robbery scores, easier victims and white coochie. 
Now who can argue with that?
Now who can argue with that?
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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mom and pops being forced out in favor of yet another starbucks.
Maybe that is happening elsewhere but not in NOLA. Places like Freret and the Bywater are full of new local businesses run mostly by hipster types.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:44 pm to Cosmo
Is it really racial? Or is it just some investors speculating on an area and buying in cheap... Bucktown USA has always been white but now you see a lot of small housing being torn down in lue of McMansions which drives up costs. This snowballs leading to gentrification. Amirite
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:44 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
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The argument on the other side is that culture is being sacrificed.... What does that even mean?
that out of towners who moved into a 'hip' part of town feel threatened by other out of towners doing the same thing
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:44 pm to NIH
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Maybe that is happening elsewhere but not in NOLA
After living in Austin I laugh at NOLA people bitching about gentrification. They have no idea what gentrification is.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:45 pm to Salmon
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Gentrification is great for everyone as long as you own within the gentrifying area.
Even then it can be bad. Some places, the property taxes rise much quicker than market value, and people get priced out of their own neighborhood.
When property taxes become $20k+/year, and you have a fixed income, life gets tough quick- unless you move out cash in hand.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:46 pm to NIH
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Maybe that is happening elsewhere but not in NOLA. Places like Freret and the Bywater are full of new local businesses run mostly by hipster types.
Local businesses leading the revitalization of neighborhoods is how it's working in St Louis as well. Some of the neighborhoods even have business incubators in them to help people get started. It's really cool to see.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 1:48 pm to Salmon
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I doubt the majority of people being forced out of gentrified neighborhoods were the original residents.
They are, or certainly have a greater right to be their than the white interlopers.
The best way to gentrify an area is to go into abandoned industrial areas (and every city has many of them), rather than into residential areas.
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