re: Freakonomics podcast on marriage and income

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agreed

but it's "mean" and that's just not acceptable

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This. Somewhere the progs won and they flipped the script. Teaching morals and responsibilities to children is shaming people that made those bad decisions. Rather than using those people as examples of what not to do, we're supposed to revere and honor those people. That's insane.

Homeless people? Just misunderstood.
Unwed mothers? Proud strong feminists.
Poor people? Need to be coddled and loved.
Rich people? Evil pieces of shite.
Married people? White privilege.

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I hate how privilege is looked at as a negative nowadays and that people should feel guilty for their privilege

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especially non-natural privileges that are based on behavior

this was the central thesis of my thread on "nuclear family privilege" (which relates strongly with OP)

the "P-word" has negative connotations and in many instances, should be the ideal and not something we criticize

what they want is an impossibility. the progs want a system where people make sub-optimal decisions, we ignore that this sub-optimal behavior led to the sub-optimal results, and then we try to find solutions with 3rd/4th parties to counter the effects of these decisions among populations who are just being incentivized to...make more sub-optimal decisions

there are 2 primary groups. the first is the "educated elite" who likely have never lived among people of lower class values. sure they may have bunkered in some shite hole in Brooklyn after college and been around "poor" people, but these were highly-educated people who just weren't making money at the time. these are teh "white saviors" who are just the worst

the other is the actual lower class type who only knows lower class people/culture. they live in a bubble and don't want to admit their choices/values are bad, so they just act oppressed by vague institutions they often don't even understand. they are teh "give me free shite" group

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Financially it is a bigger burden

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not just financially, but it is a bigger time investment as well

this is why we are going to stop at 2 because we want to be able to invest thoroughly in our children

once you start getting into the 4 or 5 kid range, the time investment per kid decreases dramatically

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this is why we are going to stop at 2 because we want to be able to invest thoroughly in our children

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Everyone I know with more than 2 kids has one fricked up kid. Without exception. And it's usually the middle child.

I grew up in very rural LA where college and office jobs were absolutely stigmatized

Luckily I was privileged enough to have parents to help me understand that was all bullshite, but a lot of my friends growing up fell right back into that cycle

my HS freshman class was about 70 students

I graduated with 30

the rest either dropped out or took their GED

Why u need books when we got the oil field, baw?

This explains it.

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I've said it before, but it infuriates me to no end when some fricking idiot from a middle/upper-class closed and gated 100% white community from a state in the north tries to explain to me the problems with poverty and race relations in the south.

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it doesn't even have to be that extreme. the fact that the north and urban areas of the midwest are segregated itself is the big kicker. they don't interact with poor people, let alone have to deal with them. in a place like South LA, i'd say you're gonna always be in an area where at least 1/3 and sometimes up to 90% of people are in that lower class mindset/culture.

i told this story earlier on the poli board but i once got called a racist in a group of internet people i've known for 10-15 years. the entire time we were talking about poor people and i pictured morbidly obese white women and he just automatically jumps into my comments being racist. he even said that i probably have never met a black person

just fricking lulz city

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i told this story earlier on the poli board but i once got called a racist in a group of internet people i've known for 10-15 years. the entire time we were talking about poor people and i pictured morbidly obese white women and he just automatically jumps into my comments being racist. he even said that i probably have never met a black person

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That is a go to.

comments on the podcast's twitter

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I'm not sure how to articulate why, but this episode made me feel gross the entire time I was listening to it.It felt...condescending? Like an outsider's perspective on a very personal topic for a huge portion of the population, handled insensitively.
Felt as if no one involved had ever spoken to an unmarried mother before, and definitely not an unmarried mother w/o a college degree

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that's because these idiots believe in subjective experience over scientific data